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ESPN Insider proposed trade:

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5. The Rays acquire LHP Matthew Boyd, RHP Joe Jimenez and RF Nicholas Castellanos from the Tigers for RHP Brent Honeywell, RHP Shane Baz and two prospects outside of the Rays' top 10.

The Tigers: Well, they aren't winning anytime soon, and even though their rebuilding program has been going on for a while now, they remain in a position that adding prospect depth is key. Honeywell has tremendous upside and all kinds of injury risk, but he's the type of risk the Tigers need to take.

 

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19 minutes ago, kdog said:

ESPN Insider proposed trade:

 

I think this guy is silly. No pitcher with "all kinds of injury risk" has upside any team needs. There is probably no diligence more important to do on a pitcher than his likely health.

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4 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I think this guy is silly. No pitcher with "all kinds of injury risk" has upside any team needs. There is probably no diligence more important to do on a pitcher than his likely health.

Yep, also love how he says the Tigers have been rebuilding for a long time when just two seasons ago they were going for it.  

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1 minute ago, Tigertown Rats said:

Don't we still have Michael Fulmer?

we have his heart and three of his limbs, the 4th is as yet still in question.

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28 minutes ago, kdog said:

ESPN Insider proposed trade:

 

I'd be a no on that deal, trading Boyd for more pitching makes little sense.  Especially trading a proven Boyd for "risky" pitching.

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6 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

If the Tigers somehow manage to get Bohm, I'm claiming 'Bohm goes the dynamite' everytime he homers.

The Tigers had a 4A outfielder named Frazier a few years ago.  Whenever they demoted him, you had to be pretty quick to get in here first with "Down goes Frazier!  Down goes Frazier!"

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I'd sure love a Padres deal to happen so we can dig into that #1 rated farm system's sweet, sweet prospect base. With any luck the Padres will approach it like Theo Epstein did with the Cubs: overpay with highly rated prospects to get a good rotation piece.

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3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I'd sure love a Padres deal to happen so we can dig into that #1 rated farm system's sweet, sweet prospect base. With any luck the Padres will approach it like Theo Epstein did with the Cubs: overpay with highly rated prospects to get a good rotation piece.

Get the "Luis" brothers ....Urias - shortstop and Compusano - catcher for Boyd

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5 starts in a row giving up at least 4 runs for Boyd. Swing and miss pitches are still strong. He did walk 4 today.

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16 minutes ago, leflore said:

5 starts in a row giving up at least 4 runs for Boyd. Swing and miss pitches are still strong. He did walk 4 today.

Teams will be convinced with a better C calling the game he'll be an Ace.    Big haul coming.

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boyd is still having a better year than cashner, so you figure he'd fetch more than two lower level pitching prospects.

perhaps we get a THIRD lower level pitching prospect thrown in?  the possibilities are endless.

 

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45 minutes ago, Buddha said:

boyd is still having a better year than cashner, so you figure he'd fetch more than two lower level pitching prospects.

perhaps we get a THIRD lower level pitching prospect thrown in?  the possibilities are endless.

 

I think Cashner either has 1 more year at $10M or is a FA depending on IP.   So Boyd has the team control issue to add value.

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Ken Rosenthal:

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4. What will the Tigers decide on Matthew Boyd?

Here’s one executive’s view: “I don’t think they will trade him, just based on their history. They played the same game with (Michael) Fulmer. He was always ‘available,’ but the price was so high that they could never make a deal. I see the same happening with Boyd.”

OK, but keeping Fulmer didn’t work out so hot, did it?

Fulmer’s 2017 season ended when he underwent ulnar nerve transposition surgery in his right elbow. His 2018 season ended when he had surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his right knee. And his 2019 season never began due to Tommy John surgery.

Boyd, 28, has never been on the disabled list, and he is under club control for three more seasons after this one. His strikeout percentage is the fourth highest in the majors behind Gerrit Cole, Max Scherzer and Chris Sale, his walk percentage is the 11th lowest. He recently allowed 12 homers in a span of six starts – baseball, 2019 – but otherwise has been excellent.

It’s possible Boyd will have just as much trade value in the offseason – his remaining three years of arbitration will be far more affordable than what the top free agents (Cole, Bumgarner, Stephen Strasburg if he opts out) will command. The Tigers, then, should rightly aim high in their quest to add position-player prospects to their developing core of young pitching. But after getting burned with Fulmer, they should be acutely aware of the danger of waiting too long.

 

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42 minutes ago, kdog said:

Ken Rosenthal:

 

Every pitcher is an injury risk. An assumption that a guy is going to get hurt cannot be your primary trade criterion, or you would never keep a pitcher and so couldn't play the game. The Tigers have had bad luck recently with Fulmer (and Grayson Long and Zimmermann) but every team loses pitchers to injury. I wouldn't call it a trading mistake, or 'getting burned' just because you didn't move every pitcher on your staff that subsequently got hurt. It's just one of the risk overheads native to the game.

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I'd suggest the more likely mistake on Fulmer was over-valuing him internally because his K-rate never supported his level of success early in his career.

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12 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I'd suggest the more likely mistake on Fulmer was over-valuing him internally because his K-rate never supported his level of success early in his career.

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The best opportunity to trade Fulmer was June 2017, when the Cubs were looking at him and Quintana. it was just a couple months into Fulmer's post ROY season. And at that point, the team had not even traded JD, much less the other vets. Tough to lead off with a guy you control for 5-6 more years though in retrospect, it was the obvious right decision. Not sure how great Fulmer's value was after that, as it's been one injury after another. 

Avila should not trade Boyd unless he gets a really nice return, it's just a matter of how he defines nice return. A top 10-20 prospect, which seems to be what he's after, feels mildly delusional. Maybe not impossible, but you need a heavy market to develop and at least one team that decides it has to have him, cost be damned, as the Cubs felt about Quintana 2 years ago. 

If Avila can get a top 50 guy - say Alec Bohm  and another interesting lower level guy (and the Phillies might be the team in most desperate need), or a back of the top 100 guy + another prospect right around there, I would rather seem him take it, rather than roll the dice on the offseason or next deadline. 

Even if Boyd finishes healthy and strong, maybe that means more teams become interested in the offseason, but maybe more players like him become available too. Right now, Boyd is totally unique bc of his years of control. Teams like the Phillies, Angels, Brewers, Padres, etc could see him as a guy who could push them into the playoffs this year, but if not, no big deal bc they have him for 3 more years. It feels like the pressure for teams to act, for a bidding war to develop, the probability a team pushes in that one player they normally would not, is higher at the trade deadline, when a team's season hangs in balance and when all of their fans and baseball world is watching, rather than in December/January. 

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5 minutes ago, irvink said:

The best opportunity to trade Fulmer was June 2017, when the Cubs were looking at him and Quintana. it was just a couple months into Fulmer's post ROY season. And at that point, the team had not even traded JD, much less the other vets. Tough to lead off with a guy you control for 5-6 more years though in retrospect, it was the obvious right decision. Not sure how great Fulmer's value was after that, as it's been one injury after another. 

Avila should not trade Boyd unless he gets a really nice return, it's just a matter of how he defines nice return. A top 10-20 prospect, which seems to be what he's after, feels mildly delusional. Maybe not impossible, but you need a heavy market to develop and at least one team that decides it has to have him, cost be damned, as the Cubs felt about Quintana 2 years ago. 

If Avila can get a top 50 guy - say Alec Bohm  and another interesting lower level guy (and the Phillies might be the team in most desperate need), or a back of the top 100 guy + another prospect right around there, I would rather seem him take it, rather than roll the dice on the offseason or next deadline. 

Even if Boyd finishes healthy and strong, maybe that means more teams become interested in the offseason, but maybe more players like him become available too. Right now, Boyd is totally unique bc of his years of control. Teams like the Phillies, Angels, Brewers, Padres, etc could see him as a guy who could push them into the playoffs this year, but if not, no big deal bc they have him for 3 more years. It feels like the pressure for teams to act, for a bidding war to develop, the probability a team pushes in that one player they normally would not, is higher at the trade deadline, when a team's season hangs in balance and when all of their fans and baseball world is watching, rather than in December/January. 

You do love you some alec brohm 

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23 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

You do love you some alec brohm 

irvink loves Bohm like Eric Cioe loved Lincecum. 

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59 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

You do love you some alec brohm 

Lol. Bohm just feels like highest rank prospect out there who we might have a legitimate shot at. Not the most exciting prospect, since it sounds like he is destined for 1b. But he should be good/solid/safe and big league ready sometime next year.

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