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3 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

You obviously did not even consider where I said that Chris may want to fix the entire organization first AND have a solid core of young home-grown talent in place before spending big money.

Still, thinking your going to fix issues with buying talent is foolhardy.  Teams are signing their young talent, and keeping players more these days.  The top players don't make it to free agency.  Those in free agency often have warts.  That's for the Nick Castellanos's of baseball.

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45 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

You obviously did not even consider where I said that Chris may want to fix the entire organization first AND have a solid core of young home-grown talent in place before spending big money.

The #1 example of what you're saying would be Darrell Evans being signed to complement that core of homegrown talent.

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1 hour ago, cruzer1 said:

Still, thinking your going to fix issues with buying talent is foolhardy.  Teams are signing their young talent, and keeping players more these days.  The top players don't make it to free agency.  Those in free agency often have warts.  That's for the Nick Castellanos's of baseball.

Show me a successful team that is 100% homegrown talent. The ALL fix issues by buying some talent. This is a silly post. 

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49 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Show me a successful team that is 100% homegrown talent. The ALL fix issues by buying some talent. This is a silly post. 

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I just noticed that Detroit's team leader for RBI's is Miguel Cabrera,.....with 36 RBI total,. Some of you have argued that the RBI is an obsolete statistic, because, as a team dependent figure, it's possible for a very good hitter to not get very many RBI opportunities. This clearly is not the case with our Tigers, there are no  current great Tigers hitters  who are just "more unlucky than bad" missing out on golden opportunities. 

The RBI is a great indicator of (team)  offensive prowess, after all. 

The Tigers really suck by the way, I just thought I might need to mention that for anyone who is sick of hearing it.

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On 7/12/2019 at 7:01 PM, DumberAndLeaner said:

I just noticed that Detroit's team leader for RBI's is Miguel Cabrera,.....with 36 RBI total,. Some of you have argued that the RBI is an obsolete statistic, because, as a team dependent figure, it's possible for a very good hitter to not get very many RBI opportunities. This clearly is not the case with our Tigers, there are no  current great Tigers hitters  who are just "more unlucky than bad" missing out on golden opportunities. 

The RBI is a great indicator of (team)  offensive prowess, after all. 

The Tigers really suck by the way, I just thought I might need to mention that for anyone who is sick of hearing it.

The thing is, Cabrera is hitting over .400 with RISP, and yet still only has 36 RBI.

That tells me two things:

1.  He does not get many chances to hit with guys on base

2.  When he does get hits with guys on base, it is usually a single that may score one run.  Very limited power, in the past he would hit 2 run doubles, 3 run home runs, now, he will hit maybe an RBI single.

Also, the Tigers as a whole, and Miggy for sure do not get to use the new and improved baseballs that the rest of the league gets to use.

Or, as a I have said a lot, and others have also said, they have limited hitting talent, and that talent is not adjusting to the current landscape of the game these days.  They definitely need a new direction for their hitting approach from the top of the organization to the bottom.  

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28 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

How many AB does he have with RISP?

Cabrera's RBI % is 18.2. Not bad, but nothing like it has been in the past when he was ususally top 10 in baseball. For this season he is 39th on the list for those with over 100 runners on base.

https://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/RBIPCT.py?StartDate=04%2F04%2F2019&EndDate=07%2F13%2F2019&SortField=1.0*(OnRBI.RBI-OnRBI.HRs)%2FOnRBI.RunnersOn&SortDir=desc&MinPA=100

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Cabrera's RBI % is 18.2. Not bad, but nothing like it has been in the past when he was ususally top 10 in baseball. For this season he is 39th on the list for those with over 100 runners on base.

https://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/RBIPCT.py?StartDate=04%2F04%2F2019&EndDate=07%2F13%2F2019&SortField=1.0*(OnRBI.RBI-OnRBI.HRs)%2FOnRBI.RunnersOn&SortDir=desc&MinPA=100

Looking at that chart, he is 110th in number of runners available to be scored.  That is really low for a guy who has played over 90% of his teams games.

Here are the Tigers splits with RISP:

k Name G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA
OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
1 Miguel Cabrera 52   82 71 16 32 3 0 1 32 0 0 7 10 .451 .476 .535 1.011 38 1 0 0 4 2 0 .484 169 159
2 Brandon Dixon 38   54 50 11 16 2 0 2 22 1 0 2 15 .320 .333 .480 .813 24 0 0 0 2 0 0 .400 121 105
3 Harold Castro 20   27 22 7 6 1 0 0 8 1 0 3 5 .273 .333 .318 .652 7 0 0 0 2 0 1 .316 83 68
4 Christin Stewart 47   67 56 17 15 4 0 2 23 0 0 5 9 .268 .313 .446 .760 25 1 1 0 5 2 0 .260 115 91
5 Nicholas Castellanos 49   70 59 40 15 2 1 2 18 0 0 8 10 .254 .343 .424 .767 25 2 1 0 2 1 1 .265 93 95
6 Victor Reyes 6   8 8 4 2 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 1 .250 .250 .375 .625 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286 79 57
7 Dawel Lugo 12   16 14 5 3 0 2 1 7 0 0 0 5 .214 .250 .714 .964 10 0 1 0 1 0 0 .222 233 133
8 JaCoby Jones 35   52 45 20 9 2 0 2 12 1 0 6 16 .200 .288 .378 .666 17 1 0 0 1 2 1 .250 77 69
9 Dustin Peterson 11   16 15 3 3 1 0 0 5 1 0 0 5 .200 .250 .267 .517 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 .300 74 33
10 Ronny Rodriguez 35   51 46 9 9 5 1 0 14 0 0 2 15 .196 .216 .348 .564 16 1 0 0 3 0 0 .265 67 41
11 Jeimer Candelario 33   50 43 14 8 0 0 0 7 1 0 5 13 .186 .300 .186 .486 8 0 2 0 0 1 1 .267 51 29
12 Niko Goodrum 51   81 71 33 13 4 0 1 19 1 0 8 21 .183 .259 .282 .541 20 1 0 0 2 0 0 .235 57 39
13 John Hicks 38   60 56 7 10 4 0 0 10 1 0 3 17 .179 .217 .250 .467 14 2 0 0 1 0 1 .250 69 19
14 Grayson Greiner 31   50 44 6 7 0 0 1 8 0 0 4 18 .159 .240 .227 .467 10 2 1 0 1 0 0 .231 85 21
15 Bobby Wilson 7   8 8 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 .125 .125 .125 .250 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .167 53 -36
16 Gordon Beckham 29   36 34 13 4 2 0 1 5 1 0 0 16 .118 .167 .265 .431 9 1 2 0 0 0 0 .176 26 8
17 Josh Harrison 25   38 35 8 3 2 0 0 7 1 0 0 8 .086 .105 .143 .248 5 0 1 0 2 0 0 .103 2 -37
18 Jordy Mercer 12   19 16 3 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 3 7 .063 .211 .063 .273 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 .111 6 -25
19 Mikie Mahtook 3   6 5   0 0 0 0 0 0  

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Here are the even uglier numbers with 2 outs and RISP, the Tigers are at .188 as a team, as opposed to .223 with just RISP

k Name G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA
OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
1 Miguel Cabrera 23   24 21 3 8 2 0 0 7 0 0 3 2 .381 .458 .476 .935 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 .421 149 148
2 Victor Reyes 5   6 6 1 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 .333 .333 .500 .833 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .400 139 118
3 Dawel Lugo 7   10 10 3 3 0 2 1 6 0 0 0 3 .300 .300 1.000 1.300 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333 344 228
4 Brandon Dixon 25   27 26 6 7 0 0 1 8 1 0 1 8 .269 .296 .385 .681 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 .353 87 79
5 Harold Castro 15   17 15 3 4 0 0 0 4 1 0 2 3 .267 .353 .267 .620 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333 77 67
6 JaCoby Jones 25   31 25 3 6 2 0 1 9 1 0 6 10 .240 .387 .440 .827 11 0 0 0 0 2 1 .357 123 119
7 Ronny Rodriguez 20   21 20 6 4 1 1 0 5 0 0 1 7 .200 .238 .350 .588 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308 76 54
8 John Hicks 22   27 27 5 5 2 0 0 5 1 0 0 6 .185 .185 .259 .444 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 .238 58 16
9 Nicholas Castellanos 28   31 29 13 5 0 0 1 7 0 0 2 5 .172 .226 .276 .502 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 .174 26 32
10 Grayson Greiner 21   26 24 4 4 0 0 1 5 0 0 1 12 .167 .231 .292 .522 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 .273 105 38
11 Dustin Peterson 4   6 6 1 1 1 0 0 2 1 0 0 2 .167 .167 .333 .500 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250 65 29
12 Bobby Wilson 5   6 6 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 .167 .167 .167 .333 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250 104 -11
13 Jordy Mercer 7   9 7 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 3 .143 .333 .143 .476 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 .250 82 32
14 Niko Goodrum 31   39 36 13 5 1 0 0 6 0 0 3 13 .139 .205 .167 .372 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 .217 9 0
15 Christin Stewart 27   32 29 7 4 1 0 1 7 0 0 3 8 .138 .219 .276 .495 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 .150 41 30
16 Gordon Beckham 14   17 16 9 2 2 0 0 2 1 0 0 8 .125 .176 .250 .426 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 .250 25 12
17 Jeimer Candelario 17   20 17 4 2 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 6 .118 .250 .118 .368 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 .182 16 2
18 Josh Harrison 15   18 18 4 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 4 .056 .056 .056 .111 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .071 -53 -70
19 Mikie Mahtook 2   2 2   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0      

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On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 7:01 PM, DumberAndLeaner said:

I just noticed that Detroit's team leader for RBI's is Miguel Cabrera,.....with 36 RBI total,. Some of you have argued that the RBI is an obsolete statistic, because, as a team dependent figure, it's possible for a very good hitter to not get very many RBI opportunities. This clearly is not the case with our Tigers, there are no  current great Tigers hitters  who are just "more unlucky than bad" missing out on golden opportunities. 

The RBI is a great indicator of (team)  offensive prowess, after all. 

The Tigers really suck by the way, I just thought I might need to mention that for anyone who is sick of hearing it.

RBIs are very much a function of opportunities.  Once upon a time they were hugely overrated -- such as when Don  Mattingly won the 1985 MVP award on the strength of a gaudy 145 RBI total, over George Brett, who outhit Mattingly by a considerable margin.  (A seething Bill James, a Royals fan, did a computer plug-in of Brett's season into Mattingly's spot in the Yankees batting order and the computer gave Brett something like 175 RBIs.)

Also, are you sure that the Tigers really suck?  Have you done a computer simulation to prove the truth of that assertion?

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