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On 6/27/2019 at 11:36 AM, bobrob2004 said:

If the players are simply not that talented, then fire Al Avila for acquire lackluster players.  If it is bad coaching/managing, then fire them.  At the end of the day someone needs to get fired for assembling this mess of a team.  

Here's what I expect will happen.....they will fire a bunch of marketing and promotion people for their failure to build attendance.

Yes, I know....but that doesn't matter

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On 6/27/2019 at 8:50 AM, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Most likely they will negotiate cheaper rates to advertise because viewership is down.

I'd like to add that on the feed dubbed over to Fox Sports  Midwest, there are no commercials for Bernstein Law, so there is a whole other universe of sponsors that can be appealed to.

I guess that since Fox sports is committed to pay for the rights regardless, they are using the games just to fill programming blocks ( as opposed to when the Tigers were better, and the FSD feed was sold as a premium)

So, I guess Beth Bernstein  will be spared my wrath. 

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I'd also speculate that just based upon the number of commercial slots that are devoted to self promotion, is a  good indicator that they are not selling ad time for all the slots that are available.

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The Tigers next closest AL team, the Orioles, put up a 13 spot tonight.  The Tigers have not scored 13 runs in their past 6 games combined ( 9 runs),  another oh-fer with RISP.

The only way they can win is 1-0.   Lloyd deserves a promotion

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5 hours ago, kj2018 said:

The Tigers next closest AL team, the Orioles, put up a 13 spot tonight.  The Tigers have not scored 13 runs in their past 6 games combined ( 9 runs),  another oh-fer with RISP.

The only way they can win is 1-0.   Lloyd deserves a promotion

Lloyd doesn't hit.  Blame the hitters.

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23 hours ago, Casimir said:

 

I get this.  Certainly the drafting and developing better part.  They need to do a better job with the farm system.  There isn't necessarily a reason to intentionally tank when other teams have been competitive year in and year out without tanking.  And as has been mentioned prior, with more teams now in the mode of bottoming out to get better, how is that going to work in the long run?  If a team isn't good at drafting and developing than the others, picking earlier in the drafts likely isn't going to amount to much.

And as for falling out of favor so much to ignore the team, I can understand that, too, although I'm not to that point with the Tigers.  I ignored a team last fall because of off field shenanigans, so I'd be a hypocrite of I criticized you for this.  I have found myself just merely checking into a game in progress this season as opposed to previous years where I would start from the beginning of the game and watch it through to the end.  There really isn't much to watch at the major league level this season.  Maybe to see if Stewart or Jones or Norris or Turnbull or Boyd or Jimenez can develop into anything.  Some people can latch onto watching the end of a hall of fame career in Cabrera, but I can't get into that, and I've never had the attachment to him that most other fans have had.

It's funny,  It's not like I'm boycotting them or have any particular dislike....it's just that I can't generate enough interest to tune in.  When I catch a snippet here and there, I'm not even thinking "I'll wait for (insert intriguing player) to hit"....I'm not mad at them, it's just boring as ****.

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1 hour ago, sabretooth said:

It's funny,  It's not like I'm boycotting them or have any particular dislike....it's just that I can't generate enough interest to tune in.  When I catch a snippet here and there, I'm not even thinking "I'll wait for (insert intriguing player) to hit"....I'm not mad at them, it's just boring as ****.

That's kind of my rationale as to why I just tune in live now vs when I would start from the beginning before.  The outcome is assumed and there's not much of a story line outside of that to watch for.  But its Tiger baseball, its on, and I have to get my daily fix of it, so I'll tune in for something.

I don't expect them to be a much better team next season, but I think the story lines will be more interesting.  We should see guys like Rogers, Cameron, Manning, and Mize trickling up.  We'll be able to see career debuts and if there is something to potentially build upon.  There will be growing pains, but the growing pains from these guys will be much different than the pains of watching guys like Rodriguez and whatever scrap pile pitcher they've just picked up in order to fill out the pitching staff.  At least we can hope so, right?

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Tigers runs scored each for the last 8 games:

1-7-1-1-1-3-3-0

That is hard to do, to get 1 or less in 5 games out of 8.

They had a good ratio (for them today), 1 walk and only 15 strikeouts, a lot of which were balls out of the zone.

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On 6/30/2019 at 4:08 PM, kj2018 said:

...only 15 strikeouts, a lot of which were balls out of the zone.

Good hitters swing at strikes.  Bad hitters swing at balls.  It should not take a PhD to eventually figure out how to lay off pitches well out of the k-zone.

Truly, from a baseball perspective ..most of the Tiger hitters are 'stupid'.

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58 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

Good hitters swing at strikes.  Bad hitters swing at balls.  It should not take a PhD to eventually figure out how to lay off pitches well out of the k-zone.

Truly, from a baseball perspective ..most of the Tiger hitters are 'stupid'.

Well, strikes out are up in general because strategically the current judgement is that is more useful to swing hard all the time than to back off and give up the chance at the long ball just to avoid a K.

However at the individual player level, I don't think it''s as much a matter of stupidity as it is simply a lack of ability to recognize pitches soon enough to avoid swinging at balls that are going to break out of the zone. True, a smart hitter should be able to form some idea about what a pitcher is trying to do, and that should give him a bias toward being more or less likely to take a particular pitch or what pitch to look for, but in the end they go mostly by what they see, and if their pitch vision isn't good enough, they are going to swing and miss a lot.

Sometimes you can help a hitter find ways to see the pitch sooner and/or longer - which is what they are trying (with at least some success so far) with Jones, but once those tricks have been tried, you are left with whatever the bottom line best effort a guy's hand/eye/brain system can do;  which for 99.9999% of the population is just not fast enough not to be fooled by an MLB breaking ball. Tigers have too many guys that are not in that 0.0001%

 

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13 hours ago, Tigrrfan said:

Good hitters swing at strikes.  Bad hitters swing at balls.  It should not take a PhD to eventually figure out how to lay off pitches well out of the k-zone.

Truly, from a baseball perspective ..most of the Tiger hitters are 'stupid'.

It isn't an issue of intelligence, it is an issue of pitch recognition and reaction times, which are razor thin.

Do you honestly think there is anyone sniffing the majors, let alone are in the majors, that don't know they shouldn't swing at bad pitches?

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1 minute ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

It isn't an issue of intelligence, it is an issue of pitch recognition and reaction times, which are razor thin.

Do you honestly think there is anyone sniffing the majors, let alone are in the majors, that don't know they shouldn't swing at bad pitches?

They need a hitting coach who will tell them that before each at bat.  

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Need to find a coach that can tell them to hit the cutoff man and when on the bases freeze on line drives too.  

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

They need a hitting coach who will tell them that before each at bat.  

With this bunch, I’d favor them being reminded before every pitch.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

It isn't an issue of intelligence, it is an issue of pitch recognition and reaction times, which are razor thin.

Do you honestly think there is anyone sniffing the majors, let alone are in the majors, that don't know they shouldn't swing at bad pitches?

It's easy to underestimate how much a MLB pitch changes direction given the the predominant use of the long back shot from CF. It doesn't  happen that often (and good thing or someone would get killed) but just look at how difficult it is for a catcher to even catch the pitch when he is crossed up on the signals. And catching a pitch is 100x easier than hitting one with a bat.

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On 6/25/2019 at 8:25 PM, DumberAndLeaner said:

Stop watching their crappy advertising, stop eating their crappy pizza, avoid their casinos......there are a boatload of ways that irate fans can vote with their wallets. In a capitalist economy THAT is revolution.

Bear in mind I think that the astute fans who expect to see quality baseball are already doing this. What I suggested is that even the kool-aid drinkers....or call them "sunshiners" or what ever....basically the fans who stubbornly defend the organization believing this somehow proves the strength of their fandom.....SO IF YOU COULD GET EVEN THAT STUBBORN BUNCH to bail out ....you would have some clout.

 

Years ago there was some woman in Michigan who objected to racy content on the TV show "Married with Children"  so  she wrote a bunch of nasty letters to the show's sponsors....and several of them pulled their advertising.  She managed to be heard

The some woman in Michigan you're referring to is Terry Rakolta, wife of John Rakolta, then COO and now CEO of Walbridge, and whose sister is Ronna Romney, then married to the son of Governor George Romney. She managed to be heard then because Romneys. And, not for nothing, the husband is now Trump's ambassador to the United Arab Emirates.

So, if your point is that ordinary individuals can accomplish extraordinary things like bringing baseball teams to their knees just by writing letters or boycotting pizza, you need another example featuring an actual ordinary individual.

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8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The some woman in Michigan you're referring to is Terry Rakolta, wife of John Rakolta, then COO and now CEO of Walbridge, and whose sister is Ronna Romney, then married to the son of Governor George Romney. She managed to be heard then because Romneys. And, not for nothing, the husband is now Trump's ambassador to the United Arab Emirates.

So, if your point is that ordinary individuals can accomplish extraordinary things like bringing baseball teams to their knees just by writing letters or boycotting pizza, you need another example.

It's a good example.  I've been to the Rakoltas' Detroit-area home.  It is a perfectly ordinary mansion near the Bloomfield Hills Country Club. 

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On 6/27/2019 at 4:58 PM, sabretooth said:

The Twins have been going big on launch angle and FB% and are performing.  Even guys who weren't FB hitters are hitting FBs and are showing some power.  The Tigers seem to be trying to duplicate the 1985 Cardinals, minus Jack Clark.  It's simple in the MLB right now.  HIT.MORE.FLY.BALLS.STUPID. (or get guys who will).

That's right: hit more fly balls, stupid—if you have the horses, that is. Problem is, the Tigers don't have those kind of horses. It's no accident that the Tigers are the only team with fewer than 10% of their fly balls going for homers. So more fly balls would just equal more fly ball outs for this crew.

That circles back to your buried lede: get guys who will. This team resembles the 1985 Cardinals minus Jack Clark because that's the purpose for which they were built. You and I both know it's wrong-headed to construct a team like that in these times, but we also understand that's what a front office stuck on the romantic notion of a 1980s contact hitting offense would be expected to do.

They have to blow up that strategy, which means blowing up much of the roster, up and down the system, that was constructed for that strategy.

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10 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

It's a good example.  I've been to the Rakoltas' Detroit-area home.  It is a perfectly ordinary mansion near the Bloomfield Hills Country Club. 

Which hole?

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“This team resembles the 1985 Cardinals minus Jack Clark because that's the purpose for which they were built.”

 

Is the above quote referring to the present day Tigers team? Maybe I’m missing somebody’s point but the 1985 Cardinals stole 314 bases. 

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I was riffing off sabretooth's comment, and I took him to mean only the banjo-hitting part.

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7 hours ago, chasfh said:

Which hole?

Well, we'll just see if we can persuade  Tipper Gore to boycott Belle Tire, and we should be all set.

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