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6 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

I totally get what you’re saying. I know they had to hit the reset button.  We all realize this.  It’s the “reality principle.“ The pushback we get from a world that does not yield automatically to our will. But we can’t keep hitting the reset button every year. 

This is starting to feel like a medieval leaching instead of neurosurgery. This is the third year in a row of miserable performance. 

I’m tired of the tough medicine approach. This is the 59th season I’ve followed this club. I spend time on an archaic message board discussing the team with other people.  If I am tired of it so are people with less of a stake in this team than myself. 

Are you telling us that the honeymoon is over and you are thinking of seeing other message boards?

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12 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Are you telling us that the honeymoon is over and you are thinking of seeing other message boards?

No. 

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22 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

 If I am tired of it so are people with less of a stake in this team than myself. 

I think in general you're correct - except for the casual fan it doesn't matter as much.   They've tuned the team out and will carry on with life until it's time to be a "fan" again.   Then they'll be back in force.

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1 minute ago, LooseGoose said:

I think in general you're correct - except for the casual fan it doesn't matter as much.   They've tuned the team out and will carry on with life until it's time to be a "fan" again.   Then they'll be back in force.

A casual fan is like the “swing voter.“ The person with their heads up their rears where they don’t understand the stakes and which political parties have to find some way of tricking so they end up pandering to the lowest common denominator. In this case this would be good. I’d like to ride the coattails of that sort of pandering. 

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On 6/23/2019 at 4:19 PM, LooseGoose said:

 

And "revolt" how?   Post mean messages on an internet message board?   I guess that'll get them.

 

 

Stop watching their crappy advertising, stop eating their crappy pizza, avoid their casinos......there are a boatload of ways that irate fans can vote with their wallets. In a capitalist economy THAT is revolution.

Bear in mind I think that the astute fans who expect to see quality baseball are already doing this. What I suggested is that even the kool-aid drinkers....or call them "sunshiners" or what ever....basically the fans who stubbornly defend the organization believing this somehow proves the strength of their fandom.....SO IF YOU COULD GET EVEN THAT STUBBORN BUNCH to bail out ....you would have some clout.

 

Years ago there was some woman in Michigan who objected to racy content on the TV show "Married with Children"  so  she wrote a bunch of nasty letters to the show's sponsors....and several of them pulled their advertising.  She managed to be heard

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On 6/23/2019 at 8:11 PM, bobrob2004 said:

I think this year proves it more than anything that the Tigers don't have an analytics department. Anyone claiming to be in the analytics department is overpaid. 

I seriously doubt that "moneyball" style analytics will ever make us serious contenders..  Mr I opening his wallet and getting some of the best free agent talent available year after year  (coupled with a few great trades) is what made us a contender.

We'll be listening to them pump us full of wild card aspirations for years to come the way this bunch operates.

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I've noticed that where I live, game coverage through Fox Sports Detroit has gone from "available only through a premium package" and even then with blackout rules strictly enforced,  to a universally available "stocking stuffer"  pushed through "Fox Sports Midwest" on basic cable.

So demand has obviously  paralleled their quality of play.

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I guess I'm not their target audience.   Haven't been to a casino in 10 years or more and probably average 1 little Caesar's pizza a year so I don't think they'd be impacted by my boycott. 

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A perfect example (this was a write up on Boyd, but you could include most any Tigers SP):

has been one of the brightest spots for the Tigers this season. Despite a few bumps in the road in recent games, he is still motoring on and holding down the ace role at the top of the rotation. However, he seems to be struggling against good teams. Why is that?

This article from Forbes discusses the matter, and concludes that the primary issue is lack of run support. His numbers — and likely trade value, as well — took a hit in June, though he still maintained a solid xFIP 3.20. But even when he’s on, he is working with razor-thin margins when it comes to the difference between winning and losing a game. And that can make things more difficult than necessary on a starting pitcher.

 

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22 hours ago, LooseGoose said:

I guess I'm not their target audience.   Haven't been to a casino in 10 years or more and probably average 1 little Caesar's pizza a year so I don't think they'd be impacted by my boycott. 

You asked  "revolt how?' I was just giving examples. You check out the stands in Tigers home games recently? Looks like we  "bandwagoners"  outnumber the kool-aid drinkers by a significant margin...lmao!!

 

I think I might start writing letters to sponsors of the game broadcasts telling them I hope their products don't suck as much as the Tigers...just for fun...never know,.... somebody might be listening

 

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1 minute ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

You asked  "revolt how?' I was just giving examples. You check out the stands in Tigers home games recently? Looks like we  "bandwagoners"  outnumber the kool-aid drinkers by a significant margin...lmao!!

 

I think I might start writing letters to sponsors of the game broadcasts telling them I hope their products don't suck as much as the Tigers...just for fun...never know,.... somebody might be listening

 

And what will those sponsors do?   Will Beth Bernstein call Avila and tell him to sign better players?

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1 minute ago, LooseGoose said:

And what will those sponsors do?   Will Beth Bernstein call Avila and tell him to sign better players?

Ideally, they might decide that Tigers games are not the exposure that their company is looking for.

Empty seats, unsold air time...warehouses  full of unsold licensed merchandise......it all ads up.   VIVA Bandwagoneros!!!

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Another night, another pitiful offensive display.  

It is time to replace the entire hitting staff in the organization.  This is approaching some all time futility, especially when comparing to the rest of the American League.  And there is not much help coming.  They need to overhaul their approach, their teaching, and their mentality when it comes to hitting, from the top down.

 

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21 minutes ago, kj2018 said:

Another night, another pitiful offensive display.  

It is time to replace the entire hitting staff in the organization.  This is approaching some all time futility, especially when comparing to the rest of the American League.  And there is not much help coming.  They need to overhaul their approach, their teaching, and their mentality when it comes to hitting, from the top down.

 

Dan was really on his horse about the ball for the short time I was able to listen this evening. Claims that the % of fly balls across the league is basically constant over the last 15yrs - i.e - all the launch angle talk is nice but hitters are not actually doing anything different, it's the HR/FB ratio that is up, - the ball is just going further. Unfortunately the Tigers do not have hitters able to take advantage.

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12 hours ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

Ideally, they might decide that Tigers games are not the exposure that their company is looking for.

Empty seats, unsold air time...warehouses  full of unsold licensed merchandise......it all ads up.   VIVA Bandwagoneros!!!

Most likely they will negotiate cheaper rates to advertise because viewership is down.

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9 hours ago, kj2018 said:

It is time to replace the entire hitting staff in the organization.

With whom should they replace the staff with?

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There isn't a coaching staff alive that's going to turn this bunch of light bats into any semblance of a run factory.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

With whom should they replace the staff with?

Harold Baines of course.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

With whom should they replace the staff with?

At this point, just get a new approach to the organization.  The whom can be anybody who has a different way of developing hitters

What they have now and what they have been doing with their major leaguers on down to the single A guys just is not working

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

So therefore anyone else must be an improvement.

Based on present day results, there isn’t much to lose in changing some names and faces. One of my concerns in this org is their ability to develop kids into good fundamentally sound  players. I’d love to see evidence that things are different than the past. 

 

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One thing life has taught me, *the* one thing I am absolutely certain of, when it comes down to it, is that things can *always* be worse.

Sometimes failures on the field are as simple as the players themselves aren't that good.  I know that seems defeatist and the desire to take action is strong and understandable, but I honestly believe firing a bunch of coaches would have no net positive impact *and* is more likely to make things worse.

Part of that is who is doing the hiring, and part of it is there really are not that many coaches / instructors out there that have the level of experience / expertise to do the job well, and I don't know how attractive a Tigers job will appear to those individuals, especially if the Tigers just fired their entire staff indiscriminantly.

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I should also add that I can't honestly claim to be able to judge whether Lloyd is teaching a hitting approach or not, or whether or not fundamentals are being stressed during training.

I presume they are - I doubt the coaches are just picking their *** or don't care, or don't know what they are talking about.  But that is a guess on my part.

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