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8 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

OK, you win, but on a technicality. By the time Carlos got to 1st he couldn't play anywhere!

:P

Was Carlos good at first? I seem to remember him being pretty bad. 

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2 hours ago, Chili Mac Davis said:

Who was Don Kelly, Jim? Chopped Liver?

 

Your Don Kelly is in the sink. 

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1 hour ago, Yoda said:

Was Carlos good at first? I seem to remember him being pretty bad. 

Correct. The premise was no one could show me a good 3b that could not play 1b and Cas pointed out that Carlos could not play 1B. I admitted his score but protested that he violated the spirit of the challenge since the version of Carlos that couldn't play 1B couldn't play 3B at that point either.

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Carlos' issue at first was his footwork.

I don't doubt he could have learned to become a serviceable 1B over time, but I don't think he failed at first because he had aged and lost athleticism.

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31 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Carlos' issue at first was his footwork.

I don't doubt he could have learned to become a serviceable 1B over time, but I don't think he failed at first because he had aged and lost athleticism.

You think? IDK I did take  it more as another sign of his physical breakdown. The bad footwork/difficulty in improving it, just being a symptom of loss of agility to execute anything he wasn't already acclimated to doing. I guess I'd flip the question, why would as guy as athletically gifted as Carlos proved he was as a younger player have trouble getting the FW for 1b? I guess one can make an argument that it was improbable from either standpoint.

Just looking to see.....

....they stared him at 1st for a few games at the end of 2007, then 16 games coming out of ST in '08. He got in 113 games that season, 81 in '09 - about half at DH and half in LF (I'd forgotten about that), 68 games in 2010, mostly back at 2b. Then 28 games in '11, again mostly 2b. He played a total of 71 games at 1b. Ironically his fielding metrics at 1st over the two seasons netted out positive - a clear example of the sample size problem with fielding metrics! So from about the time he first tried 1b he was accumulating DL time pretty fast - which is what I was mostly remembering - that he couldn't stay on the field to play anywhere.

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Yes, the issue at 1B was his feetwork around the bag.  He would lead out with the right foot a lot rather than the left foot to catch a throw at 1B.  Sometimes he would just be lost enough where he was struggling to get a foot on the base.  It looked like an 8 year old trying to figure it out.  Interestingly, it hadn't looked nearly as bad as it did until Cabrera was acquired and he was the one getting the work at 3B.

The LF experiment was probably just as bad as when he attempted 1B with two left feet.  At that point they were just trying to figure out a way to get his bat into the lineup (an attempt at versatility by Leyland?). 

But, hey, give Guillen credit for doing what was asked of him, right Nicholas?

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17 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

OK, you win, but on a technicality. By the time Carlos got to 1st he couldn't play anywhere!

:P

A win is a win.

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Tigers sent 5 players to the GCL yesterday in preparation for the league opener on Monday, and filled those Connecticut roster spots with college bats from the draft.    I like the idea of pushing these newly drafted guys through the system.   Hopefully a few make it to the Whitecaps before the season is out and prepare for Lakeland/Erie in the off-season and for 2020.   That timeline exactly fits with the Tigers making progress by 2021 or 2022 and hopefully at least watchable again.  

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6 minutes ago, kdog said:

Franklin Perez back on the Lakeland injured list.

You can just write him off at this point.

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2 of the tigers 3 top pitching prospects are on the IL due to shoulder issues. I’m not even going to say it.

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2 minutes ago, MDMAzing said:

You can just write him off at this point.

I'm almost there too except for his age.   My expectations of him being in the mix has turned into a little glimmer of hope for the best.  

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2 minutes ago, kdog said:

2 of the tigers 3 top pitching prospects are on the IL due to shoulder issues. I’m not even going to say it.

Then I will.  Darned dumb of Avila and the Tigers front office to try and have a team with good pitchers on it - they get hurt.  

 

 

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Funkhouser gets lit at the AAA level...all the other good arms but Manning and Faedo are hurt.   F Shakespeare and his winter..this is the summer of our discontent.

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I guess we will never really know but I wonder if we could've gotten somebody else from the Astros but chose Perez?     

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45 minutes ago, Lei Pong said:

Funkhouser gets lit at the AAA level...all the other good arms but Manning and Faedo are hurt.   F Shakespeare and his winter..this is the summer of our discontent.

Rebuilds stink. Rebuilds built around pitching stink even more. 

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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

I guess we will never really know but I wonder if we could've gotten somebody else from the Astros but chose Perez?     

If I recall correctly it was the Tigers holding out for Perez that delayed the deal.

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14 minutes ago, LooseGoose said:

If I recall correctly it was the Tigers holding out for Perez that delayed the deal.

I think you're right.  After I posted that I decided to do a little google detective work and looked up articles about the trade.  One of the Tigers crack writers detailed the final hours of the trade and said that Avila turned down an Astros offer earlier in the evening because he was holding out for more and to his surprised a few hours later they ended up coming up with it.  Maybe Perez was the "something more" he was waiting for.  

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2 hours ago, Tim Mitchell said:

Write off this year for Perez.

you can write off perez.

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seems like a failure of sports medicine if they can't find the reason he can't throw 60 pitches without re-inflamming his shoulder. Or else the truth is they have found it, can't do anything about it and are just hoping he finds a way to work around it.

At some point you have to try a new delivery or lower an arm angle or just give it up, but this routine is bordering on ridiculous.

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4 hours ago, SeattleMike said:

Rebuilds stink. Rebuilds built around pitching stink even more. 

good summary.

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