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22 minutes ago, chasfh said:

No one is. I'm making the distinction between shaming someone for their physiology, the idea which I believe you were pushing back on, and the responsibility of someone tasked with that physiology to combat that very physiology to attain the highest level of an athletic endeavor.

I agree with you we shouldn't shame anyone simply because they were born with that physiology, and I was assuming you agree with me that someone born with that physiology nevertheless needs to overcome it if they want to achieve the highest level in a field that generally punishes it.

I was refuting the comment that he "can't stop stuffing his pie hole". It's entirely possible he doesn't eat any more than the average person. I don't think we know enough to make that generalization. 

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I saw where Edman couldn't get henning to acknowledge that the Tigers have a big problem in player development.

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5 minutes ago, Yoda said:

I was refuting the comment that he "can't stop stuffing his pie hole". It's entirely possible he doesn't eat any more than the average person. I don't think we know enough to make that generalization. 

It's a pretty funny line, tho

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13 minutes ago, kdog said:

I saw where Edman couldn't get henning to acknowledge that the Tigers have a big problem in player development.

Lynn seems to be of the mindset that player development is simply drafting the right guys.  It's way more than that.  It's entirely probably that some guys drafted and later released by the Tigers to go back to their hometown and coach the HS could have become servicable MLB players if developed by the Yankees, Dodgers, Cardinals, etc.  

A lot of people agree with Lynn.  I don't.  You can have a good system that produces league average players irrespective of the drafting of those players.  When a team hits on a 7th round pick they didn't know they would.  It's about the kind of players you want and what your staff does with them.

The Tigers aren't where they are because they signed FA and lost some 1st round picks, or because they traded prospects away to get veterans. It's because their way of doing things with regard to development has been horrible for 3 generations now.

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Yoda said:

I was refuting the comment that he "can't stop stuffing his pie hole". It's entirely possible he doesn't eat any more than the average person. I don't think we know enough to make that generalization. 

This exists, but is in general an overstated effect. When people who think they have a 'slow metabolism' are audited, they are usually eating a lot more than they believe they are. That is why keeping a food log is an effective dieting aid for many people.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/expert-answers/slow-metabolism/faq-20058480

Now what does vary widely is people's hunger drive/

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12 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Lynn seems to be of the mindset that player development is simply drafting the right guys.  It's way more than that.  It's entirely probably that some guys drafted and later released by the Tigers to go back to their hometown and coach the HS could have become servicable MLB players if developed by the Yankees, Dodgers, Cardinals, etc.  

A lot of people agree with Lynn.  I don't.  You can have a good system that produces league average players irrespective of the drafting of those players.  When a team hits on a 7th round pick they didn't know they would.  It's about the kind of players you want and what your staff does with them.

The Tigers aren't where they are because they signed FA and lost some 1st round picks, or because they traded prospects away to get veterans. It's because their way of doing things with regard to development has been horrible for 3 generations now.

 

 

 

I've long thought the hoary old "change of scenery" canard was to some degree about getting into a different system with different resources and coaching that can help identify the little flaws that inevitably develop in a player's or pitcher's process, and be able to optimize that overall. If you have the right coach who can identify and help you fix the flaw, you have a way better chance of getting back on track. Maybe you have that on the new team when you didn't on the old team. Maybe you don't have it on the new team when you had it on the old. I'm sure it's not the whole explanation for performance changes,  but I bet it's a big part of it.

Not for nothing, this is a perfect analog for analytics, too. In the same way a team might draft or sign good talent but not have the right people to develop it, a team can also invest in the best, most up-to-date analytics hardware and software and not have the right people to interpret and communicate the findings to coaching and players.

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12 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

This exists, but is in general an overstated effect. When people who think they have a 'slow metabolism' are audited, they are usually eating a lot more than they believe they are. That is why keeping a food log is an effective dieting aid for many people.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/expert-answers/slow-metabolism/faq-20058480

Now what does vary widely is people's hunger drive/

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Rather than slow metabolism, factors more likely to contribute to weight gain include:

  • Eating too many calories
  • Getting too little physical activity
  • Genetics and family history
  • Certain medications
  • Unhealthy habits, such as routinely not getting enough sleep

You're being misleading to suit your argument. Hunger is one part of it. "Metabolism" isn't the right word, but it appears genetics are very much a factor. 

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His father is on the right, fwiw. 

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And another recent photo...

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41 minutes ago, Yoda said:

You're being misleading to suit your argument. Hunger is one part of it. "Metabolism" isn't the right word, but it appears genetics are very much a factor. 

not really. You were promulgating what is more myth than reality, that any large percentage of overweight people are overweight without eating more than the other people who are not. That is not in the main true. Clearly some/many people are driven to eat more than they should for a myriad of complex reasons, or are not as active as they need to be, the evidence of that in the population is indisputable, but the two things are different.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I've long thought the hoary old "change of scenery" canard was to some degree about getting into a different system with different resources and coaching that can help identify the little flaws that inevitably develop in a player's or pitcher's process, and be able to optimize that overall. If you have the right coach who can identify and help you fix the flaw, you have a way better chance of getting back on track. Maybe you have that on the new team when you didn't on the old team. Maybe you don't have it on the new team when you had it on the old. I'm sure it's not the whole explanation for performance changes,  but I bet it's a big part of it.

Not for nothing, this is a perfect analog for analytics, too. In the same way a team might draft or sign good talent but not have the right people to develop it, a team can also invest in the best, most up-to-date analytics hardware and software and not have the right people to interpret and communicate the findings to coaching and players.

totally agree...

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1 hour ago, Yoda said:

And another recent photo...

66505985_2484701748208132_60387951557193

He uses a Ruthian size bat.   Perhaps he does that and wears black to look smaller so MTS won't critique his physique?

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2 hours ago, Yoda said:

His father is on the right, fwiw. 

65714583_2468771426467831_57021429102506

 

And another recent photo...

66505985_2484701748208132_60387951557193

He needs to follow the diet of the guy standing next to his father.  His father can't even put down the drink to take a picture!

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1 hour ago, LooseGoose said:

He uses a Ruthian size bat.   Perhaps he does that and wears black to look smaller so MTS won't critique his physique?

Lloyd will get him to switch to a smaller bat so he can slap the ball through infield holes.  

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He looks a lot like the guy in the plaid shirt...that does not bode well for his future as a svelte athletic type

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3 hours ago, kdog said:

I saw where Edman couldn't get henning to acknowledge that the Tigers have a big problem in player development.

The media at large is doing a poor job of prying and exposing the problems there.  There's something there, and instead we are getting puff pieces about Harold Castro and Victor Reyes.

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36 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

The media at large is doing a poor job of prying and exposing the problems there.  There's something there, and instead we are getting puff pieces about Harold Castro and Victor Reyes.

Jack Morris and Craig Monroe can't stop slobbering all over Harold Castro. I hope that's not reflective of how the front office views things. I'm afraid it is though. 

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6 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

There is someone missing from that group photo:  his mom.  I bet she weighs 300.

She never leaves the house.  Just be careful what you say about her boy.  She'll destroy you.  

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51 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

The media at large is doing a poor job of prying and exposing the problems there.  There's something there, and instead we are getting puff pieces about Harold Castro and Victor Reyes.

Henning is deferential to people in the arena(GM/Coach/player). And he gives them this free pass because rebuilding is hard. Additionally, he resents the Mike Ilitch team building model and thinks we should be paying penance for all that spending.

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3 hours ago, Lei Pong said:

He looks a lot like the guy in the plaid shirt...that does not bode well for his future as a svelte athletic type

I thought he was the guy in the plaid shirt.  My bad.

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