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32 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

It makes me smile seeing the Cubs, Red Sox and Phillies (after breaking the bank for Harper) all miss the playoffs.  

Phillies paid for the 10 WAR player, so far they have gotten the 4 WAR one.

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34 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

375 is less than a mile long,  it doesn't move any one to Detroit from the Suburbs. A nice divided boulevard similar to Washington with 3 or 4 lanes each way as a feeder connecting Jefferson to I-75 would move just as much traffic and eliminate the canyon. 

Fun fact. I375 is shorter than the walk from gate 1 to gate 77 at the McNamara terminal.

It's a mile that keeps me moving at freeway speed until it feeds me on to Jefferson right where I need to be.  I like it.

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1 minute ago, six-hopper said:

It's a mile that keeps me moving at freeway speed until it feeds me on to Jefferson right where I need to be.  I like it.

LOL - If you really feel you have to take the freeway to Jefferson you can always cut across on the Fisher to the Lodge and come around under the convention center where you will be able to look in your rear view mirror and  see the big new TCF sign.....

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

LOL - If you really feel you have to take the freeway to Jefferson you can always cut across on the Fisher to the Lodge and come around under the convention center where you will be able to look in your rear view mirror and  see the big new TCF sign.....

What I need is the fastest, easiest way to get where I'm going.  Time is a very valuable commodity -- perhaps the most valuable one.  And  lost time is not replaceable.  On the other hand, I have no need for the "more walkable downtown" that some are dreaming about. 

By the way, I avoid the McNamara terminal as much as possible.  Maybe if they put some freeway lanes in it, I'd like it better.

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12 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

What I need is the fastest, easiest way to get where I'm going.  Time is a very valuable commodity -- perhaps the most valuable one.  And  lost time is not replaceable.  On the other hand, I have no need for the "more walkable downtown" that some are dreaming about. 

By the way, I avoid the McNamara terminal as much as possible.  Maybe if they put some freeway lanes in it, I'd like it better.

McNamara got light rail instead of a freeway. Brooks didn't get that veto...

....:D

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Fun fact: of the 2,542 teams that have played big league baseball since 1901, only 17 (less than 1%) finished with a per game run differential of -2 or worse. The 2019 Tigers are about to finish the season as one of them.

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Note that no other team since 1962 is even on this list.

Bonus fun facts:

The 18th worst team on the list, aka the closest team to -2 per game Rdiff without attaining -2, is the 1996 Tigers, at -1.98.

The next worst big league team on negative Rdiff since 1962 is the 2002 Tigers, 36th overall at -1.80.

That's right: the worst four teams since 1962 on per game Rdiff are the Ilitch Tigers.

The worst non-Ilitch team since 1962 on per game Rdiff is the 1974 Padres (-1.78).

EDIT: I've updated the table for clarity.

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Having worked downtown at CAYMAC from August to December (with a nice view of the RenCen, river, and such), and having walked around a lot, I can say that Jefferson Avenue is a catastrophe of bad design and planning.  It completely cuts off the heart of the downtown from the riverfront, and what should be prime riverfront property is instead relegated to really crappy parking facilities.  The city's historic dedication to the car has created a semi-permanent blight on the river-landscape. 

The rest of the downtown is looking awesome thanks to the post-bankruptcy economic revival, though, and I was never in a downtown **anywhere** that felt so safe both day and night.

The only down-side, unfortunately, is that you **still** cannot risk going to a gas station anywhere at night, I tried and would not recommend even the one on Jefferson at the tip of 375, and there are only a handful of gas stations I would trust in the daytime.  I hit a few here and there and it was "interesting", not a feeling I'd want to repeat on a regular basis. 

Despite the gas-station stuff, I was a Detroit-hater/lover for years, I can say now that the entire downtown is really a very enjoyable urban scene (though still a little interesting in places).  

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1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Fun fact: of the 2,542 teams that have played big league baseball since 1901, only 17 (less than 1%) finished with a per game run differential of -2 or worse. The 2019 Tigers are about to finish the season as one of them.

2019-09-26_18-30-55.jpg.dc753004330cb152fef8814d9b15886b.jpg

Note that no other team since 1962 is even on this list.

Bonus fun fact: the 18th worst team on the list, aka the closest team to -2 per game Rdiff without attaining -2, is the 1996 Tigers, at -1.98.

The next worst big league team on negative Rdiff since 1962 is the 2002 Tigers, 36th overall at -1.80.

That's right: the worst four teams since 1962 on per game Rdiff are the Ilitch Tigers.

The worst non-Ilitch team since 1962 on per game Rdiff is the 1974 Padres (-1.78).

Wow.

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49 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Fun fact: of the 2,542 teams that have played big league baseball since 1901, only 17 (less than 1%) finished with a per game run differential of -2 or worse. The 2019 Tigers are about to finish the season as one of them.

2019-09-26_18-40-39.jpg.ae6b3b1ea13458e60e76ac8dad788f70.jpg

Note that no other team since 1962 is even on this list.

Bonus fun facts:

The 18th worst team on the list, aka the closest team to -2 per game Rdiff without attaining -2, is the 1996 Tigers, at -1.98.

The next worst big league team on negative Rdiff since 1962 is the 2002 Tigers, 36th overall at -1.80.

That's right: the worst four teams since 1962 on per game Rdiff are the Ilitch Tigers.

The worst non-Ilitch team since 1962 on per game Rdiff is the 1974 Padres (-1.78).

EDIT: I've updated the table for clarity.

The Tigers have become like the old Connie Mack A's, just without the historically great teams Mack would occasionally produce. 

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2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Fun fact: of the 2,542 teams that have played big league baseball since 1901, only 17 (less than 1%) finished with a per game run differential of -2 or worse. The 2019 Tigers are about to finish the season as one of them.

2019-09-26_18-40-39.jpg.ae6b3b1ea13458e60e76ac8dad788f70.jpg

Note that no other team since 1962 is even on this list.

Bonus fun facts:

The 18th worst team on the list, aka the closest team to -2 per game Rdiff without attaining -2, is the 1996 Tigers, at -1.98.

The next worst big league team on negative Rdiff since 1962 is the 2002 Tigers, 36th overall at -1.80.

That's right: the worst four teams since 1962 on per game Rdiff are the Ilitch Tigers.

The worst non-Ilitch team since 1962 on per game Rdiff is the 1974 Padres (-1.78).

EDIT: I've updated the table for clarity.

So basically the 2003 and 2019 Tigers and a bunch of “black and white” teams. 

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17 hours ago, sabretooth said:

Having worked downtown at CAYMAC from August to December (with a nice view of the RenCen, river, and such), and having walked around a lot, I can say that Jefferson Avenue is a catastrophe of bad design and planning.  It completely cuts off the heart of the downtown from the riverfront, and what should be prime riverfront property is instead relegated to really crappy parking facilities.  The city's historic dedication to the car has created a semi-permanent blight on the river-landscape. 

The rest of the downtown is looking awesome thanks to the post-bankruptcy economic revival, though, and I was never in a downtown **anywhere** that felt so safe both day and night.

The only down-side, unfortunately, is that you **still** cannot risk going to a gas station anywhere at night, I tried and would not recommend even the one on Jefferson at the tip of 375, and there are only a handful of gas stations I would trust in the daytime.  I hit a few here and there and it was "interesting", not a feeling I'd want to repeat on a regular basis. 

Despite the gas-station stuff, I was a Detroit-hater/lover for years, I can say now that the entire downtown is really a very enjoyable urban scene (though still a little interesting in places).  

so is the renaissance center, joe louis, and every other concrete and steel monstrosity they put on the water.

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3 hours ago, Buddha said:

so is the renaissance center, joe louis, and every other concrete and steel monstrosity they put on the water.

There was a master plan at one point where the object was to open up the property between Jefferson and the River as public space. The RenCen obviously isn't going anywhere, but it is walkable on the river side now. Compared to 50 yrs ago and all the heavy industry a lot more space is open. What is missing is that instead of someone coming up with the funding for park style purchases and improvements, we still have a lot of parking lots.....

 

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Verlander just punched out Kole Calhoun for his 3,000K, but Kole reached 1st base as Keven Smith can't come up with the pitch. Kole just made himself a great trivia answer.

And then JV gives up a 2 run HR to the next batter - LOL

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Cole and JV are 1-2 in almost every category. I don't think CY is a slam dunk for Justin, but I think he'll get it

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Verlander is now 18th all time in Ks but just 350 away from the top 10 and 700 from the top 5.   At his current rate he should get in the top 10 by 2021 and if he stays healthy and pitches another 4 seasons he could easily finish in the top 5.    

Also he needs 75 more wins to get to the magical 300 number.   It's hard to predict when a pitcher with the mileage he has is going to fall off a cliff but you can't question his drive and work ethic so I'm sure as **** not writing him off from getting there either.  

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I'm hoping he has another 4 years. Nolan Ryan pitched to age 46 and had 300K at age 42 and 200K at age 44.

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18 minutes ago, leflore said:

I'm hoping he has another 4 years. Nolan Ryan pitched to age 46 and had 300K at age 42 and 200K at age 44.

I'll never forget the Tigers home opener in 2006,  we were 5-1 going into the game, all the fans were starting to jump on the bandwagon and were as excited as can be.  Anyway I remember I was in line to use the restroom and was talking to a couple guys in line with me and said something like "Yeah, I heard this Verlander kid is gonna be great, Peter Gammons was on ESPN talking about how he reminded him of Nolan Ryan"(admittedly I didn't follow prospects that closely then so I didn't know much about him) and of course they all took it as me saying he was going to be Nolan RYan and basically told me to pump the brakes.   I will never forget that conversation and I always think back to it anytime I hear about some of JV's milestones.  

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Seventy-five wins is a lot of wins, especially at the age of 37.  He has 67 wins over the last 4 seasons, but at his age, he might start breaking down, might lose velocity, might just wake up one day with a foot injury and be unable to pitch.  

I really think that is something he wants to do though, reach 300 wins.  Does he want to pitch another 5 or 6 years?

He and Kershaw may realistically be the last 2 pitchers to really have a legit shot at 300 and Kershaw has been super injured lately.

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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Verlander is now 18th all time in Ks but just 350 away from the top 10 and 700 from the top 5.   At his current rate he should get in the top 10 by 2021 and if he stays healthy and pitches another 4 seasons he could easily finish in the top 5.    

Also he needs 75 more wins to get to the magical 300 number.   It's hard to predict when a pitcher with the mileage he has is going to fall off a cliff but you can't question his drive and work ethic so I'm sure as **** not writing him off from getting there either.  

I don't think Cy Young himself could have won 300 games in his career at 34 starts per season, but in the 5 man rotation era 250 wins is the roughly equivalent accomplishment and barring a career ending injury JV has a very good shot at that. CC is going to finish at 251 after making the show at age 20 (a three year head start over JV) and lasting 19 yrs. 

And to be precise 4/5 of 300 is 240 so 250 is a tougher milestone for a 5 man rotation pitcher to hit than 300 was for a 4 man rotation pitcher.

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