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2 hours ago, Oblong said:

This all sounds very complicated.  I’ll keep paying my cable bill.  I would like to cut the cord but when I do the math the savings don’t add up to all that much.  I could do it if it were just me but my wife would get totally confused.  

Local cable has the local channel with Walleye & Mud Hen games.  I would consume much more Walleye games than Mud Hen because the Tigers and Mud Hens overlap so much.  Heck, we went out to eat last night and the restaurant had the Walleye game on, so I was completely oblivious to anything my wife said.  Local cable hasn't had MLB Network for over a year.  Its mot a mandatory channel, but I do like watching when I can.  And our local cable has just gotten too expensive compared to other options.

I've gotten adjusted to YTTV and I'm about as untech as they get.  From the little bit of searching that I did yesterday, it seems like YTTV has one of the more user friendly formats.

I just wonder if we ever get to a point where it all becomes an a la carte type service?

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2 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

This is an outcome of the irresistible force meeting the immovable object in US sports economics. The networks have committed huge dollars to teams on contracts whose term is much longer than the commitment of  a television subscriber to their cable or streaming service provider. The seemingly inexhaustible supply of dollars which has been available to professional sports have been supplied by advertisers willing to pay ever more because ultimately the # of eyeballs available to advertise to was always growing, first with broadcast, then with cable. But if instead of growing the total market, streaming growth instead cannibalizes cable, it potentially kills, or at least seriously clips the wings, of the goose laying the golden eggs. 

I suppose the question becomes whether the generation of frugal household formers today - many of whom are already accustomed to living without cable, are big enough sports fans to start to paying cable level cost to get sports back if it disappears from low cost streaming services they prefer.

In the end it goes one of two ways - depending on which model ultimately supplies more dollars - sports media becoming a premium only service at high cost mainly to the affluent with a much smaller middle and working class fan base, or it remain widely available but at cost low enough that a broader public stays onboard. And in the end will probably be determined less by the will of the current players in the sports media market than by whether the US middle class survives the current larger economic trends that have been shrinking it.

I think people will just end up living with not having the sports networks.  It’ll be a temporary inconvenience but they will get used to it.  Meaning those who are cord cutters.  There will still be people like me willing to pay for cable for not having to deal with the “hassles” of managing different platforms and viewing options.  
 

it’s weird how the psychology works. Thinking of me, and the many thousands like me, I’m ok with paying $150 a month for probably 8 networks/channels I watch. But if I went cord free and had to pay $100 for those 8 by spending $12 for each or some other combo.. I would decline. I know it doesn’t make sense.   I do the math overall between my cell phone and cable etc and I’m spending $500 a month that my dad never had to spend.  

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8 minutes ago, Oblong said:

it’s weird how the psychology works. Thinking of me, and the many thousands like me, I’m ok with paying $150 a month for probably 8 networks/channels I watch. But if I went cord free and had to pay $100 for those 8 by spending $12 for each or some other combo.. I would decline. I know it doesn’t make sense.   I do the math overall between my cell phone and cable etc and I’m spending $500 a month that my dad never had to spend.  

Part of the psychology that is probably at play here is that when I was a kid, not all Tiger games were televised.  So if you wanted to watch, it was much more "appointment setting" to see a game than it is now when all of the games are televised.  And I think that "priority" is still embedded into me to some extent, even in these seasons when there isn't compelling baseball to root for.

I do understand your premise of paying a bit extra for convenience, although I don't know what kind of price I would put on it.

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31 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Local cable has the local channel with Walleye & Mud Hen games.  I would consume much more Walleye games than Mud Hen because the Tigers and Mud Hens overlap so much.  Heck, we went out to eat last night and the restaurant had the Walleye game on, so I was completely oblivious to anything my wife said.  Local cable hasn't had MLB Network for over a year.  Its mot a mandatory channel, but I do like watching when I can.  And our local cable has just gotten too expensive compared to other options.

I've gotten adjusted to YTTV and I'm about as untech as they get.  From the little bit of searching that I did yesterday, it seems like YTTV has one of the more user friendly formats.

I just wonder if we ever get to a point where it all becomes an a la carte type service?

I think we are sort of there. I would consider canceling YouTube tv whether they keep FSD or not. I can buy the entire season of better call Saul for 25 bucks on iTunes. 
 

I don’t need to watch the tigers for 50 bucks a month. 

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13 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I think people will just end up living with not having the sports networks

Could be. Or the other option  is that if the general audience streamers (Hulu. Sling etc) viewer base isn't willing to pay the fees, that content specific subscription streaming moves into that space i.e. MLB gameday figures out whatever arrangements are needed to carry games into the broadcasters blackout areas. For that matter, what stops FSN from putting the games onto the 'net via their own subscription streaming service if in the future their cable cast partners are going to lose the battle to IP streaming anyway?

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For me I get distracted with too many options.  If I am stuck in a hotel room with 7 channels I will watch anything.  If you give me 200 I end up changing all the time.  When I get on a plane I watch something for a few minutes then look for something else.   Maybe it’s ADD. The old foxworthy joke “men don’t care what’s on.  They care what else is on”. 

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59 minutes ago, Oblong said:

For me I get distracted with too many options.  If I am stuck in a hotel room with 7 channels I will watch anything.  If you give me 200 I end up changing all the time.  When I get on a plane I watch something for a few minutes then look for something else.   Maybe it’s ADD. The old foxworthy joke “men don’t care what’s on.  They care what else is on”. 

I thought that was Seinfeld.  Men hunt and Women nest............

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YTTV is offering a 2 week trial to new customers.  You have to start the trial by March 15th.  Normal trial period is 5 days I think.

 

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12 hours ago, Deleterious said:

YTTV is offering a 2 week trial to new customers.  You have to start the trial by March 15th.  Normal trial period is 5 days I think.

 

We had to switch to YTTV when Vue discontinued.  The app took some getting used to, but we have liked the service fine.  And even if they have to go up a couple of dollars so that we can keep the sports channels, we will most probably keep it.  That said, it is useless to us if they can't work it out with Sinclair on our local sports teams.  

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Disappointed with the poor communication.  Why not just give us the list?  I have FSD on right now, so maybe that isn't one of the channels going away.

 

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This isn't official, but.

These Are the Fox Sports RSNs Disappearing From YouTube TV After New Deal With Sinclair

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While the company hasn’t shared which Fox Sports RSNs have officially been dropped, The Streamable has learned that the service will no longer offer YES Network, Fox Sports Prime Ticket, and Fox Sports West. Customers in New York and Los Angeles will continue to pay the same rate as subscribers in markets where Fox Sports RSNs remain.

 

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9 minutes ago, Casimir said:

The tone of the tweet is interesting for a corporation.

It’s interesting that they tried to word it as if Sinclair and YES are not one and the same. YES charges a higher carriage fee from what I understand. It’s possible that they gave other providers most favored nation clauses and taking a lower deal from YTTV would have cost them a lot by having to take less from the other companies. 
 

The tone isn’t that strange coming from Sinclair, I suppose. The final line is straight from the Sinclair propaganda book. 

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23 minutes ago, Shelton said:

It’s interesting that they tried to word it as if Sinclair and YES are not one and the same. YES charges a higher carriage fee from what I understand. It’s possible that they gave other providers most favored nation clauses and taking a lower deal from YTTV would have cost them a lot by having to take less from the other companies. 
 

The tone isn’t that strange coming from Sinclair, I suppose. The final line is straight from the Sinclair propaganda book. 

I guess I missed that Sinclair and YES are one and the same.

It is kind of odd to me that not all RSNs were picked up, although I am assuming that, with the exception of YE, all of these are Fox Sports locals?  I might be wrong on that.

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Well, it appears FSD, FSOhio, and SportsTime Ohio have been removed from my YTTV account.

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20 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Well, it appears FSD, FSOhio, and SportsTime Ohio have been removed from my YTTV account.

Odd. Maybe they tightened up the geographic area for FSD carriage. I got the email this afternoon telling me explicitly that I am not losing my Fox RSN. 

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4 hours ago, Casimir said:

I guess I missed that Sinclair and YES are one and the same.

It is kind of odd to me that not all RSNs were picked up, although I am assuming that, with the exception of YE, all of these are Fox Sports locals?  I might be wrong on that.

They aren't really the same.  Sinclair just owns a piece of YES, not the entire thing.

And according to this, you should be keeping your FOX Rsn.

 

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12 hours ago, Shelton said:

Odd. Maybe they tightened up the geographic area for FSD carriage. I got the email this afternoon telling me explicitly that I am not losing my Fox RSN. 

My guess is that this happened.

I never received any email after last week's initial warning.  I turned it on around 5p and discovered none of the FOX RSNs were on the lineup (Detroit, Ohio, SportsTime Ohio) and then chatted with customer service.  He/She claimed that things hadn't been completely settled, but I figured if the channels weren't there, I was screwed.  He/She also told me that was the top complaint of the day.  So a bit later, maybe around 8p, I turned YTTV on again after that and there was a disclaimer that all FOX RSNs had been removed, we apologize for the inconvenience.  Contacted customer service and was informed that, yup, I'm screwed.  Oh, and no lowered rate due to inconvenience.

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2 hours ago, Casimir said:

My guess is that this happened.

I never received any email after last week's initial warning.  I turned it on around 5p and discovered none of the FOX RSNs were on the lineup (Detroit, Ohio, SportsTime Ohio) and then chatted with customer service.  He/She claimed that things hadn't been completely settled, but I figured if the channels weren't there, I was screwed.  He/She also told me that was the top complaint of the day.  So a bit later, maybe around 8p, I turned YTTV on again after that and there was a disclaimer that all FOX RSNs had been removed, we apologize for the inconvenience.  Contacted customer service and was informed that, yup, I'm screwed.  Oh, and no lowered rate due to inconvenience.

I just typed in a Toledo zip code into their website, and it says this particular zip code gets Fox Sports Ohio and Fox Sports Ohio plus. What teams are even on that channel? Is that like the blue jackets and the Columbus soccer team?

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4 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I just typed in a Toledo zip code into their website, and it says this particular zip code gets Fox Sports Ohio and Fox Sports Ohio plus. What teams are even on that channel? Is that like the blue jackets and the Columbus soccer team?

Interesting, because I just tried 43608 (what up old hood) and it listed none of those.

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Fox Sports Ohio is Cincinnati.  SportsTime Ohio is Cleveland.  I think Cleveland's version was outside of Fox's realm at the beginning and was bought and added to the RSN mix but kept its name.

I'm not seeing any Toledo zips that get any of the 3.

And it looks like this is a widespread issue among many RSNs.

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8 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Interesting, because I just tried 43608 (what up old hood) and it listed none of those.

I used 43460

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I think northwest Ohio is a victim of split fandoms given its location, and probably ended up not pulling high enough ratings on many of the channels. That at least makes a little bit of sense. 

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12 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I think northwest Ohio is a victim of split fandoms given its location, and probably ended up not pulling high enough ratings on many of the channels. That at least makes a little bit of sense. 

I find it difficult to believe that in Toledo proper none of the 3 pull enough ratings to eliminate it completely.  But I could be wrong on that.

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If you're ever in a FSD viewing area, fire up the app and set your location.  When you go home it will ask you to reset your location, just hit deny and it will keep the FSD viewing area, or whatever area you set it at.  My dad was in Florida for a year and had FSD the entire time by doing that.  

Downside is you will now have that locations local channels.  But you're allowed six different accounts.  Create a second one for the FSD area and the first one for home.  Switch back and forth depending on what you want to watch.  Not the most elegant solution, but it will work depending on how bad you want those channels.  

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