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In any case...I am not sure how hard it would be for a connection to be made from the area you were in and the thing about the card trick....unless you have never mentioned the card trick or did not do it etc.  It seems unlikely it would go of its way to make that connection, but again unless you never really went to the place or used the trick or whatever it is not far fetched at all IMO.

It could be as easy as a co-worker seeing the trick, mentioning in a post on FB and you being in that area.

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4 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

In any case...I am not sure how hard it would be for a connection to be made from the area you were in and the thing about the card trick....unless you have never mentioned the card trick or did not do it etc.  It seems unlikely it would go of its way to make that connection, but again unless you never really went to the place or used the trick or whatever it is not far fetched at all IMO.

It could be as easy as a co-worker seeing the trick, mentioning in a post on FB and you being in that area.

I don't think I ever mentioned that speech again after doing it in the fall of 1992. It was a non event in my life and I completely forgot about it until I was on 696 near where it ends at I 94 over the weekend.  I just saw a road and recalled that's where I went to get what I needed.   It was a thought I kept to myself as I drove by.

They certainly do use location settings for ads.  I've seen evidence of that.  I used to visit a supplier once a week and I would always get stopped by a light in front of a certain insurance agent.  THen I would get ads for him because my phone knew I was sitting there for a few minutes a week.  When you stop it probably scans for businesses that pay for ads and shovels them to you.

 

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13 hours ago, Oblong said:

I don't think I ever mentioned that speech again after doing it in the fall of 1992. It was a non event in my life and I completely forgot about it until I was on 696 near where it ends at I 94 over the weekend.  I just saw a road and recalled that's where I went to get what I needed.   It was a thought I kept to myself as I drove by.

They certainly do use location settings for ads.  I've seen evidence of that.  I used to visit a supplier once a week and I would always get stopped by a light in front of a certain insurance agent.  THen I would get ads for him because my phone knew I was sitting there for a few minutes a week.  When you stop it probably scans for businesses that pay for ads and shovels them to you.

 

The only connection (other than it simply being a coincidence of course) would be a social media friend having seen that trick and mentioning it somewhere....1992 FEELS like it was before tracking, but I would not put it past the auto makers to have had trackers on all vehicles at that point.  I forget if you mentioned it, but is that place you thought about still there?  If not then it does not make a ton of sense unless the database still has not caught up or been updated.

We opened a place back in December, on top of all the usual stuff on google etc, we had to go pretty deep to make sure all the maps people use were changed from the old places name to ours....one of them I have contacted many times, but it is still not showing the correct name.

 

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19 hours ago, Oblong said:

A few days ago I was driving in a part of town, 30 miles away, that I rarely go to.  Like once every few years.  As I went by I recalled being in that area 28 years ago, when I was looking for a certain specialty shop.   I thought to myself "oh that place is over here, I remember..."  I had to give a demonstration speech in class so I went to this shop to get something for what I was going to do. I'm not even sure it's still around and I was on the interstate so I don't think it could be a location based thing as I was driving 85 mph and there's a lot of other stuff nearby.

So today on facebook I get an ad for that kind of specialty thing I was looking for.  Didn't mention it verbally as I was going by to my wife.  Never searched or had anything to do with that topic ever again.  

The topic was a  C A R D   T R I C K I was going to perform then explain.  

'm not suggesting anything other than it's indicative of how the brain works because there's no way, other than mind control stuff, that there's a connection between what I was thinking the other day about events 28 years ago and a very specific ad coming up on a topic I've never seen before.  So it's easy to see why people would make connections on items with more evidence that what I have here.  A cigar is just a cigar.  total coincidence.

 

 

This is such a great ******* example of how the mind ignores peripheral things until it is prompted to notice them.

One of my favorite examples is noticing other people on the road that drive the same car as you. 

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16 minutes ago, Shelton said:

This is such a great ******* example of how the mind ignores peripheral things until it is prompted to notice them.

One of my favorite examples is noticing other people on the road that drive the same car as you. 

for me more specifically it's the color of the car.  When we got ours we started to tell each other that we lots of those cars of the same color.  So because of my job I was able to actually do a VIN search by color to see if we sold more of that color to confirm my suspicion....

we didn't.  

and to show you how further removed that topic was from my I can't even remember if I actually did that as the demonstration or decided on something else.  I know for sure I demonstrated a good golf swing but that might have been something else.  I just remembered being in the area where that shop was and recalled looking in the Yellow Pages at the time, calling them, then driving over there one afternoon.   That was all going through my head while i listened to a phish song and my wife played on on her phone because we'd been in the car for an hour already and were tired.

 

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I was not real sure where to put this and while this thread does not fit the bill completely I did not want to detract from some of the other on going threads and knock them off track.

FB and sensoring....I am not a religious person, but was born and raised into a catholic family and went to catholic schools, I was even an altar boy.  That being said some of my very best friends are very active in their religion.  I usually take a more "There is no ONE person in charge of everything" type attitude.  I am a big science guy.

To try and cut to the chase I was just browsing FB and they had a pic that was greyed out and said:

Quote

 

Sensitive content

This photo may show violent or graphic content.

See Photo

 

So you can decide to click the photo or not.

 

Image may contain: one or more people

 

That was the image..............WTF?  Violent or Graphic?

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maybe it's because of a scanning algorithm or because of the site/person/account that is hosting the picture?

 

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3 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

I was not real sure where to put this and while this thread does not fit the bill completely I did not want to detract from some of the other on going threads and knock them off track.

FB and sensoring....I am not a religious person, but was born and raised into a catholic family and went to catholic schools, I was even an altar boy.  That being said some of my very best friends are very active in their religion.  I usually take a more "There is no ONE person in charge of everything" type attitude.  I am a big science guy.

To try and cut to the chase I was just browsing FB and they had a pic that was greyed out and said:

So you can decide to click the photo or not.

 

Image may contain: one or more people

 

That was the image..............WTF?  Violent or Graphic?

Nothing to see here JB. Zuckerberg's programmers have it all under control.

(quite literally in this case! xD

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7 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Nothing to see here JB. Zuckerberg's programmers have it all under control.

(quite literally in this case! xD

If it were a royalty type issue because it is a picture of a painting I get that, but I never saw that for other paintings before.  Something buried in the code of the pic itself that triggered the censor?  That's BS, you can proclaim that on EVERYTHING that is banned or censored.

Something "hidden" in the painting itself?   I mean MAYBE you can see a face or something in the crib or the background, but again nothing violent or graphic about it.

It feels like the first step in a long war against religion, Catholic religion specifically because I have plenty of Muslim family on my wifes side I am friends with on FB and very rarely ever see any of the religious stuff they post censored.

Isn't this how "holy wars" start?

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46 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

If it were a royalty type issue because it is a picture of a painting I get that, but I never saw that for other paintings before.  Something buried in the code of the pic itself that triggered the censor?  That's BS, you can proclaim that on EVERYTHING that is banned or censored.

Something "hidden" in the painting itself?   I mean MAYBE you can see a face or something in the crib or the background, but again nothing violent or graphic about it.

It feels like the first step in a long war against religion, Catholic religion specifically because I have plenty of Muslim family on my wifes side I am friends with on FB and very rarely ever see any of the religious stuff they post censored.

Isn't this how "holy wars" start?

I doubt it has anything to do with Catholicism. I would guess  a combination of elements in that picture triggered a sexual content filter gone awry. Machine learning algorithms have no idea what they are looking at, they just abstract certain features and weight them. Man in a costume, Man kneeling, minor/infant character, the juxtaposition of the hands to the child's midsection. I know it's a bizarre end point but I could see it based on this elements of composition once you realize that the computer has none of the higher level understanding of an image that the human viewer does.

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28 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I doubt it has anything to do with Catholicism. I would guess  a combination of elements in that picture triggered a sexual content filter gone awry. Machine learning algorithms have no idea what they are looking at, they just abstract certain features and weight them. Man in a costume, Man kneeling, minor/infant character, the juxtaposition of the hands to the child's midsection. I know it's a bizarre end point but I could see it based on this elements of composition once you realize that the computer has none of the higher level understanding of an image that the human viewer does.

No offense but that is crap.  If the algorithm is THAT bad it should not even be used.  I have friends (not righteous like the older religious generation, but pretty level headed) that have noticed a trend with Catholic symbols/pictures etc on FB.

The program should pretty easily be able to determine that is Santa during December.

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49 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

No offense but that is crap.  If the algorithm is THAT bad it should not even be used.  I have friends (not righteous like the older religious generation, but pretty level headed) that have noticed a trend with Catholic symbols/pictures etc on FB.

The program should pretty easily be able to determine that is Santa during December.

Should and can can be a long way apart. Like I said, machines don't "know" anything. One of the interesting things that its proponents don't talk much about is exactly the fact that the results of 'machine learning' can easily become unpredictable the deeper the training gets. So for instance, for image recognition, you feed the machine thousands or millions of existing images and you tell the machine something about each one, but once you turn it loose, you get no explicit insight to how the machine is actually drawing its conclusions. It can't explain it to you. So it is inevitable that at some point the machine will put together some combination of factors in an unexpected way that either makes zero sense to its trainers or at least was never anticipated by them. That may not be what happened here but I still think it is the likeliest possibility. I highly doubt the image  would have been tagged by any human viewer, despite anyone's suspicions in that direction.

Practically speaking, given the volume, it's not possible that FB has anyone looking at everything in person at least until someone tags it with a complaint. Do you suppose there is a cabal of militant anti-Christmasers on FB generating content complaint reports? Who knows - could be!

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5 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Like I said, machines don't "know" anything. One of the interesting things that its proponents don't talk much about is exactly the fact that the results of 'machine learning' can easily become unpredictable the deeper the training gets. So for instance, for image recognition, you feed the machine thousands or millions of existing images and you tell the machine something about each one, but once you turn it loose, you get no explicit insight to how the machine is actually drawing its conclusions. It can't explain it to you. So it is inevitable that at some point the machine will put together some combination of factors in an unexpected way that either makes zero sense to its trainers or at least was never anticipated by them. That may not be what happened here but I still think it is the likeliest possibility. I highly doubt the image  would have been tagged by any human viewer, despite anyone's suspicions in that direction.

Of course not, they parse stuff out just like OCR does.  If did not single out the entirety of the santa and be able to reference that to a pic of santa then what good is that kind of software?  

With the number of people who think Religion is the bane of existence and attribute most wars to them...it is not hard AT ALL to realize that pic was tagged...not by one, but more than likely thousands of people.  Just like on the flip you would have a bunch of hardcore Catholics tagging gay memes or gay couples etc as "offensive"...It is a war...a back and forth war right now and the people who have been ostracized by religious fanatics for decades are starting to push back.  That is not my issue or complaint.  I do not care about their back and forths.

I am EXTREMELY shocked that you would not think that photo was tagged by anyone.

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My first thought was that It looked like the baby's right arm may have been severed.  I think I only saw that though because I was looking for something violent given the message. I don't see that now.   

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13 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

Of course not, they parse stuff out just like OCR does.  If did not single out the entirety of the santa and be able to reference that to a pic of santa then what good is that kind of software?  

With the number of people who think Religion is the bane of existence and attribute most wars to them...it is not hard AT ALL to realize that pic was tagged...not by one, but more than likely thousands of people.  Just like on the flip you would have a bunch of hardcore Catholics tagging gay memes or gay couples etc as "offensive"...It is a war...a back and forth war right now and the people who have been ostracized by religious fanatics for decades are starting to push back.  That is not my issue or complaint.  I do not care about their back and forths.

I am EXTREMELY shocked that you would not think that photo was tagged by anyone.

but being tagged is not enough. It has to be tagged and Zuckerberg's minions have to agree. He is in business to make money - not to tick people off - that is where your assumption breaks down. FB's presumptions are overwhelmingly, even militantly to everything let they can go. People try to game FB for their own purposes all the time but FB hasn't stayed in the position they are by being an easy mark for people trying to get other people's content suppressed. Witness the wailing they have been too lax on political falsehood.

Also put this into its larger context. Evangelicals love FB, they are all over it. If Christian content were being suppressed in any kind of conscious way we would be hearing about it big time. You hit a 'one of'

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4 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

but being tagged is not enough. It has to be tagged and Zuckerberg's minions have to agree. He is in business to make money - not to tick people off - that is where your assumption breaks down. People try to game FB for their own purposes all the time but FB hasn't stayed in the position they are by being an easy mark for people trying to run against popular sentiments.

Maybe not enough, but I was reacting to your comment about not thinking anyone tagged it.  That is ludicrous IMO.  

The assumption is on point if you think the overall direction the country is heading is to rid society of the religious dogma.  They are a company, a VERY successful one.  In todays climate I do not think it is a good idea to single out ANYONE (except for the very extremes...and they are the less than 5% anyway so no hit to the pocket book) so with that in mind it makes sense for them not to single anyone out...especially a population as big as the Catholics, but I think they are hoping for reactions like yours to gloss over it.

And again this is not really a post that is demonizing them or trying to...my skin in this game is not religious...it is political.  It is social and the possibility of the new direction society may be going or leaning in regards to religion and FB maybe trying to be on what they consider the winning side of the shift.  

This is a topic that is pretty complex and pretty hard for me to articulate properly in text while I am also trying to focus on work, but I think the basic idea is there.

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Former 1960's songwriter removes baby's arm, photo banned by Facebook. 

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5 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

Maybe not enough, but I was reacting to your comment about not thinking anyone tagged it.  That is ludicrous IMO.  

The assumption is on point if you think the overall direction the country is heading is to rid society of the religious dogma.  They are a company, a VERY successful one.  In todays climate I do not think it is a good idea to single out ANYONE (except for the very extremes...and they are the less than 5% anyway so no hit to the pocket book) so with that in mind it makes sense for them not to single anyone out...especially a population as big as the Catholics, but I think they are hoping for reactions like yours to gloss over it.

And again this is not really a post that is demonizing them or trying to...my skin in this game is not religious...it is political.  It is social and the possibility of the new direction society may be going or leaning in regards to religion and FB maybe trying to be on what they consider the winning side of the shift.  

This is a topic that is pretty complex and pretty hard for me to articulate properly in text while I am also trying to focus on work, but I think the basic idea is there.

No way JB. I would put a tall internet beer on the fact that no human being at FB vetted the block you experienced.

The problem with the religious in America today is that they have decided it's not enough to be accepted and left alone, they demand to be loved and ratified by the rest of society. If they want that, then they need to present a more appealing vision than the rampant hypocrisy, racism, sexism, sexual deviancy, political irresponsibility and moral expediency that organized religion in the US has aligned itself with. And I say that as a Christian.

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14 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

No way JB. I would put a tall internet beer on the fact that no human being at FB vetted the block you experienced.

The problem with the religious in America today is that they have decided it's not enough to be accepted and left alone, they demand to be loved and ratified by the rest of society. If they want that, then they need to present a more appealing vision than the rampant hypocrisy, racism, sexism, sexual deviancy, political irresponsibility and moral expediency that organized religion in the US has aligned itself with. And I say that as a Christian.

Oh **** yeah. This is legit. +1

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Besides all of that... what does Santa have to do with religion?  This is a case of a victim in search of a crime. 

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5 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Besides all of that... what does Santa have to do with religion?  This is a case of a victim in search of a crime. 

I guess I assumed it was baby Jesus in there. 

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Show me more than one random baby jesus image with a warning label and maybe I'll put some thought into their intentions. 

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On 12/4/2020 at 5:33 PM, Gehringer_2 said:

No way JB. I would put a tall internet beer on the fact that no human being at FB vetted the block you experienced.

The problem with the religious in America today is that they have decided it's not enough to be accepted and left alone, they demand to be loved and ratified by the rest of society. If they want that, then they need to present a more appealing vision than the rampant hypocrisy, racism, sexism, sexual deviancy, political irresponsibility and moral expediency that organized religion in the US has aligned itself with. And I say that as a Christian.

Come on....every single "radical" group in America wants that right now.  Like I said no real skin in this game so I really do not care all that much.  It is not about religion for me.  I have not stepped foot in a church in like 30 years, it is about what FB has become, what it claims to be and what it actually is.  And this is not solely about Catholicism either, though they are the second loudest on my FB feed about it and the "war" on them specifically.

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1 hour ago, John_Brian_K said:

Come on....every single "radical" group in America wants that right now.  Like I said no real skin in this game so I really do not care all that much.  It is not about religion for me.  I have not stepped foot in a church in like 30 years, it is about what FB has become, what it claims to be and what it actually is.  And this is not solely about Catholicism either, though they are the second loudest on my FB feed about it and the "war" on them specifically.

You could always just stop feeding the beast and get off facebook. Many people report their lives much more enjoyable for it. 

This one of the things that is odd to me. Americans all seem to complain that their lives are too busy and they don't have enough time, yet they don't value their time enough to stop spending it on a medium whose quality to trash ratio is pretty infinitesimal. If people would spend 1/4 of the time the spend on FB reading primary sources of information, I would  bet this would be much different country. But people are lazy and habituated and would rather just bi_tch about it.¬¬

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

You could always just stop feeding the beast and get off facebook. Many people report their lives much more enjoyable for it. 

I could.  At this time of year what would that mean?  Cannot see anyone really.  Bring the phone back?  For me personally, social media online has become the way to keep in touch.  To broaden my "circle".  I am not one to rack up hundreds of friends.  I have a little under 100 and most of them are people in my life currently, family and friends.  Is it imperative for me to know what all of those people are doing in their life?  Of course not, but without the platform online of some sort I would have no idea what was going on in peoples lives.  I have no had a real phone conversation with anyone I cared about in decades.  I see them in person and we talk (not lately obviously). 

I "use" facebook to run fund raisers for my boys on my birthday and the kids birthdays.  It has worked really well and I have gone over goal each time which is amazing.  If I get off FB I cannot do that anymore so for me personally it is the thing that is keeping me logged in.  Everyone has that thing on FB they stick around for.  Most people have no issue with any of the other stuff.  I do have an issue with that other stuff, but the fund raising and the ability that gives me FAR outweighs the crap. 

It is the classic rage against the machine scenario...., but just not to that bands artists extreme for me.

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