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Even more tangentially related, I have a computer I purchased a few weeks ago with the most updated version of Win 10, and the internet connection goes out every now and then when I am using Chrome, despite Windows pushing the **** out of Edge.

If I google "Is Windows slowing down my chrome," the internet comes back... every time.

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3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Somewhat tangential, I have a theory that "people you may know" on Facebook are people snooping your profile.

I think they're simply friends of friends/relatives.  Or people who go to the same places as you. 

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I know that FB does a sweep of contact info on your phone.  

5 years ago we did an exercise at work where we had to get the phone # of people in our department... disaster recover/emergency type of thing.  Our building was closed overnight due to a bomb threat and it was chaos because nobody knew where to go, what to do, etc.   So this elaborate plan to set up a call tree was done.  Because of that I have 5 people in my contacts from work that I've never called or texted.

My wife and I like to monitor the "People you may know" thing and suddenly 4 of those 5 came up on her list.  I'm not friends with them.  But FB made the connection that they're in my contact list, I'm married to her, so they connected them.

Read a story where that algorithm was researched and it's based on location and mutual friends.  I've seen it with running groups.  I belong to one with a few hundred.  I'm friends with some.  If we go to an event with that group I'll get them as suggestions.  FB knew we were near each other and had some mutual friends.

 

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So I guess my issue could be as easy as FB knowing who my wife is, google (or facebook I guess because I am pretty sure she has the app on her phone) making the connection and popping the ad up based on my wifes search history.

K.I.S.S. I guess, but I never made the connection that they could cross reference ads like that.  I could 100% see it for her of course (which maybe as little as 20 years ago would have been a HUGE problem, but we are getting used to certain invasions for the luxury of the internet), but I just never thought they would cross over to my feed.

I better stop searching for midget hookers online or they may start popping ads up on my wifes FB! 

lol  -I keed I keed.

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On 2/6/2019 at 9:17 AM, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I think I mentioned this, but my son took a course over the past summer dealing with network / node logic for programming, which was a fancy way to say 'here's a roadmap to effectively market in a social media environment'.

Basically by taking some generic demographic information, knowing who people interact with (e.g. friends with on facebook, listed activities, etc.), and what establishments people frequent based on time in various locations, it is possible to separate a large population of people into a large number tight clusters, identify opinion makers in the clusters, and target marketing accordingly.

In any event, they did a demonstration for parents on the last day of the camp and it was impressive or scary, depending on your perspective, the level of detail this type of analysis can go into and make recommendations based on information easily mined off your phone.  Something like 8 out of 10 recommendations were on point for me.

Yep.  There are companies that create this and sell it for marketing purposes.   My company buys it, and integrates it into our products.  You can find out a lot about people's likelihoods based solely on their street address.

If you're on Facebook, especially if you're on the phone app, you should request your data and take a gander at what they have on you (that they'll cop to anyways).   

 

 

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6 hours ago, Oblong said:

I know that FB does a sweep of contact info on your phone.  

It also collects your text messages, location, etc etc etc.

And awesomely, on the newer model samsung phones, FB is built into the OS, so you can't uninstall it, you can only "disable" it.   What a ******* crock.   **** facebook

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4 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

So I guess my issue could be as easy as FB knowing who my wife is, google (or facebook I guess because I am pretty sure she has the app on her phone) making the connection and popping the ad up based on my wifes search history.

K.I.S.S. I guess, but I never made the connection that they could cross reference ads like that.  I could 100% see it for her of course (which maybe as little as 20 years ago would have been a HUGE problem, but we are getting used to certain invasions for the luxury of the internet), but I just never thought they would cross over to my feed.

I better stop searching for midget hookers online or they may start popping ads up on my wifes FB! 

lol  -I keed I keed.

It might not even need two separate profiles of people, if she looked at something on the family PC, it's the same IP address which is in the pool of IP addresses associated with your usage history.

****, if she looked at anything on her phone while it was connected to your wifi it's got the IP address of your home network.

 

 

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There was one time when I was shopping at Target for a Roku or Fire TV stick.   I hadn't looked it up anywhere, not on the internet, not on my mobile, nothing.

 

I started getting ads for devices like that the same day. 

 

First they killed Kennedy and now this !

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Maybe coincidence, but this could be some next level stuff here...lol

So a few weeks ago we watched 'Free Solo' which was amazing.  Basically a dude free climbing a huge rock face thousands of feet in the air.  No safety ropes, no one else with him etc.  It chronicled his life story basically and why he would want to do it etc.

Yesterday Mission Impossible II was on TV and I watched the first couple minutes...the scene when Cruise was free climbing a different rock face.  I watched until that part was over and turned it off.  Today is the first day I am signing into my computer since Thursday.  

My nephew has a youtube channel where he plays games and gives directions etc.  When he uploads a new video I get an email and go to Youtube to like the video.  

Today the first video up after his was that same dude that was in that Free Solo movie talking about Cruise in the opening scene...I didn't watch it, but most likely talking about how much crap it was and how unrealistic etc.

Anyway...when I was watching MI II that is exactly what I was thinking about....the Free Solo movie.  I wondered what that dude thought about that scene in the movie.  

I said 'maybe' up there, but more than likely the algorithm just put 2 and 2 together just like I did in my head, but man it was a little freaky to see it there this morning. 

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Free Solo is huge right now. There are videos about that dude trending all over youtube. It showed up in my feed a week or two ago as well. 

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I might not be able to explain it the right way but the reason we see these instances pop up, I do it too, is not because of direct access (Camera, mic), but a combination of all the other factors.  It shows how good they are at targeted marketing because they're fooling us too because we're becoming self aware of the concept.

 

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This just happened to me.  A co worker brings in better made licorice.  They are awesome.  He bought me a package.  I took a picture and sent a to my wife. And I commented, verbally not in a text, that they are so much better than twizzlers.  Now I get this on Facebook, telling me that a friend likes Twizzlers 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Yoda said:

Free Solo is huge right now. There are videos about that dude trending all over youtube. It showed up in my feed a week or two ago as well. 

I had no idea.  It was about 7-8 months old when we first saw it.

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12 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

I had no idea.  It was about 7-8 months old when we first saw it.

It came out on video about a month ago and won the Oscar shortly thereafter, and I think it’s on Hulu now. 

The Dawn Wall on Netflix and Meru on Amazon Prime are also very good climbing documentaries. 

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Not exactly on topic, but I do not want to muddy up any other thread with this question.

I just saw a story about a guy somewhere in Europe (I did not read the story...it just lead my mind down a thought process that I wanted to discuss) basically who got a fine for covering his face from facial recognition cameras.

Now the premise of my question is pretty straight forward.

Quite a few people read stories, watch TV shows or movies about the evil things people in power do and how things like facial recognition will lead to worse things.  I tend to lean in that direction because as a whole I think people are good, but I think those who rise to power crave the power then get corrupted...the people who use the tech or make the laws about it are in power.

That is my thought on it and now to the question:

Do you guys think ANY of the REALLY bad books/movies/TV Shows that talked about the future turned out to be true in any meaningful way?  Now think back to the 50's through the 90's or so because the newer stuff has not had time to catch up to reality yet.

Fear is about the unknown.  You fear what you do not understand for the most part.  So is the fear taking place in the 50's and 60's about tech justified?  Another way to think about it is the fear of the future simply because it IS unknown and it can be tech or lack of tech that fuels that type of fear because it is, by its nature, unknown because it has not happened yet.

I feel conflicted on this issue anytime I really think about it.  I am not afraid of tech in any meaningful way and feel for the most part it is advancing society.  That is what tech is supposed to do.  But I always have this itch in the back of my brain that says things like this will lead to bad outcomes....and I am not sure if that comes from the books/tv/movies I have seen that have conditioned my mind to feel like that or if it is some deeper primal type instinct.

I think the short term effects of tech like facial recognition is almost ALWAYS a good thing.  My brain tends to try and work these things out for future generations and how things will evolve...usually hundreds of years from now not simply my kids generation.

Hopefully I articulated this in a way that is understandable.

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7 minutes ago, screwball said:

1984

That is of course the classic example, but what specifically did the book foretell that is leading to what would/could be considered oppressive today?

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19 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

That is of course the classic example, but what specifically did the book foretell that is leading to what would/could be considered oppressive today?

surveillance, propaganda, teles, sloganeering, militarized police, to name a few.

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I don't know if "they" are listening, but there are tiny little demons embedded in the fibers of my carpet.   Alone they are no threat, but if enough of them gather.........well,  I don't need to tell you what'll happen.  

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Was researching mattresses this morning and a mattress commercial just came on the MLB Network. Clearly Harold Reynolds is listening to my keystrokes. 

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A few days ago I was driving in a part of town, 30 miles away, that I rarely go to.  Like once every few years.  As I went by I recalled being in that area 28 years ago, when I was looking for a certain specialty shop.   I thought to myself "oh that place is over here, I remember..."  I had to give a demonstration speech in class so I went to this shop to get something for what I was going to do. I'm not even sure it's still around and I was on the interstate so I don't think it could be a location based thing as I was driving 85 mph and there's a lot of other stuff nearby.

So today on facebook I get an ad for that kind of specialty thing I was looking for.  Didn't mention it verbally as I was going by to my wife.  Never searched or had anything to do with that topic ever again.  

The topic was a  C A R D   T R I C K I was going to perform then explain.  

'm not suggesting anything other than it's indicative of how the brain works because there's no way, other than mind control stuff, that there's a connection between what I was thinking the other day about events 28 years ago and a very specific ad coming up on a topic I've never seen before.  So it's easy to see why people would make connections on items with more evidence that what I have here.  A cigar is just a cigar.  total coincidence.

 

 

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The last 2 posts here seem to make fun of the idea...which is odd because I thought we already KNOW they data mine.

Sometimes a cigar IS just a cigar...and sometimes....

So I had to delete the funny gif about "That's a *****" because it is a bad word.

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