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the case for fultz - if there is one - is that he could be a plus perimeter defender because of his athletic ability.  and the pistons desperately need that.

the case against fultz is that he sucks so bad offensively and is going to be very expensive.  how would you run an offense with drummond, fultz, and stanley on the court at the same time?  just lob the ball at the rim and tell everyone to go rebound?

if they traded, it would have to be ish and bullock.  gives philly shooting (in bullock) and the salaries match up.  hurts the pistons by taking away bullock, but they have kennard moving forward.  i wouldnt deal fultz for kennard.

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Such a depressing franchise. 

Has to be the worst run franchise in Detroit with the least amount of hope, right?

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

The Bulls lol.

Jabari Parker is no longer in their regular rotation.

Pistons should try to trade for him.  He was the #2 pick for a reason.  

this bulls team is so much fun to watch because theyre so bad.  i love listening to stacey king tell me how they good they are and how much passion theyre playing with while theyre down 20 points.  even stacy gets a little tired of them doing stupid ****.

but hey, theyre playing with passion!

who knew that paying $20 million for a broken down, lazy, jabari parker would be a mistake? every day there is a different tweet about jabari being completely lost on defense.  its hilarious.  him and lavine on the court at the same time is awesome.  they dont try on defense and then either make a circus one on one shot or throw the ball into the stands on the other end.

the bulls implosion almost makes up for the bears being good.  almost.

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I can’t think of anything that even comes close to making up for the bears being good. 

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5 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I can’t think of anything that even comes close to making up for the bears being good. 

the good news is its stopped me from listening to chicago sports radio.

(although i did sneak a listen after the bulls implosion started and the consensus was that the bulls were going to be great now that they had a passionate coach on the sideline.  theyre 1-6 under coach wind sprint now).

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

The Bulls lol.

Jabari Parker is no longer in their regular rotation.

Pistons should try to trade for him.  He was the #2 pick for a reason.  

He's Harris without the jumper I fear.

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Was Fultz a capable shooter in HS or college?

The reason I ask is that get his Thoracic Syndrome fixed and... maybe... he gets back to having a decent shot?

So would it then be worth it to take a chance on trading for him? A bet on fixing him health-wise?

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4 hours ago, Shelton said:

Such a depressing franchise. 

Has to be the worst run franchise in Detroit with the least amount of hope, right?

They're all in a bad situation currently. The Red Wings probably have the most upside with the Pistons being a big zero on the hope meter. The Lions have plenty of young talent but they're the Lions so it'll.get wasted.

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i think thr lions have "hope" simply because of the random nature of football and how much health and turnovers mean in any nfl season.  i dont think the lions have a surfeit of young talent.  in fact, i think theyre rather talent deficient compared to their peers, but they do have a qb and can get lucky enough to make a run.

but theyre the lions so we know they wont.

the red wings are accumulating young talent.  the tigers are theoretically doing the same thing.  two organizations finally committed to being on the right track, imo.

the pistons are the exact opposite.  the pistons have been committed to winning now for the last 7 or 8 years and have nothing to show for it.  it is likely that the team they have now will be basically the team they have for the next 4 years.  mediocre at best.

it would take a miracle of the nba rigging the lottery for the pistons like it did for the cavs and bulls for them to get back into relevance.

so yeah, long way of saying the pistons are the no-hopers of the bunch.  

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5 hours ago, Sydney_Fife said:

He's Harris without the jumper I fear.

thats an insult to harris.

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parker has a $20 million team option next year.  if someone wants to do a salary dump with the bulls he could be a good candidate.

the only problem being what team wants parker to sit on their bench for $20 million for the rest of the year?  

the bulls might be dumb enough to take a bad contract back if that contract contains a gritty, gutty, hustle player!  grrr!  grit!  culture!

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On 12/14/2018 at 10:20 AM, Buddha said:

the case for fultz - if there is one - is that he could be a plus perimeter defender because of his athletic ability.  and the pistons desperately need that.

the case against fultz is that he sucks so bad offensively and is going to be very expensive.  how would you run an offense with drummond, fultz, and stanley on the court at the same time?  just lob the ball at the rim and tell everyone to go rebound?

if they traded, it would have to be ish and bullock.  gives philly shooting (in bullock) and the salaries match up.  hurts the pistons by taking away bullock, but they have kennard moving forward.  i wouldnt deal fultz for kennard.

It would be easier to stomach taking a chance on a player like that if he was making $3M-$5M a year.  But he is due $30M the next 3 years.  I can't eat up 10% of my cap on a player whos ceiling seems to be Tony Allen.  Especially a team like Detroit who is in cap **** and lacking shooters.  

It also doesn't match up with their win now crusade.  He is a few years away from contributing to a winning team.  Back to the cap again.  You can't eat up that much of it on a player who wont contribute much if you want to win now.  Of course, I just describe 75% of their roster, so I wonder what number Fultz will wear here.  

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I'm just playing around here (on Trade Machine); so go ahead and just shoot me down... But:

Trade #1: Pistons send Ish Smith, Bullock, Ellenson & 2nd round pick to 76'ers for Markelle Fultz & Landry Shamet.

Trade # 2: Pistons send Reggie Jackson, GR III, and Khyri Thomas, and a top-3 lottery protected 1st to Atlanta for Taurean Prince, Jeremy Lin, Alex Poythress & Kevin Huerter.

Jeremy Lin starts until Fultz fixes his shoulder, Shamet backs him up... Huerter backs up Kennard, Prince at SF with Poythress as backup.

Adds a lot of shooting, but no stars... at a cost.

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Ish wouldn't beat out McConnel, so he would be third string.  Bullock is garbage they would probably let go this summer.  Ellenson doesn't even belong in the league.  If that is the garbage proposals Philly is getting, they might as well just sit on Fultz and hope he fixes things.

That Atlanta trade is just awful. 

Look.  If a team had the cap space to take on Reggie without sending anyone back, you would literally have to give them a 1st just to take him.  Then you want them to also give up somewhat decent players as well?  That trade is not even close to being realistic.  

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9 hours ago, Deleterious said:

I think Philly is probably whistling past the graveyard if they think they can get a 1st back for a guy with a medical diagnosis that basically says the docs don't know if they can fix his shooting.

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3 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I think Philly is probably whistling past the graveyard if they think they can get a 1st back for a guy with a medical diagnosis that basically says the docs don't know if they can fix his shooting.

Probably.  But Philly holds all the cards here since they don't need to move him.

O'Conner pretty much echos what I was saying.  If they cant get the deal they want, just sit on him and hope he fixes his issues.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/12/17/18144188/nba-trade-season-primer

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Sixers get: Reggie Bullock, Stanley Johnson, Khyri Thomas, and a top-10 protected 2019 first-round pick. (They would also have to waive Patton.)

Pistons get: Markelle Fultz.

None of the incoming players move the needle for Philly. While Fultz’s value has nearly evaporated, he still offers more upside than any asset the Pistons—or any other team, for that matter—would offer. If the Sixers sell low on Fultz, and then he goes on to overcome his issues and become a star on his new team, it would be a terrible look for the reshuffled Sixers front office.

Unless the Sixers can acquire a proven difference-maker, I don’t see the point in making a trade. All of the realistic trade options feel like trying to plug a huge hole in a tire when it really needs to be replaced. The Sixers can re-sign Butler, who can opt out of his current deal after this season, and still create around $20 million in cap space this summer. That money is their ticket to adding the appropriate surrounding pieces, and then they can reassess what to do with existing assets like Fultz and Smith.

 

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11 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

I'm just playing around here (on Trade Machine); so go ahead and just shoot me down... But:

Trade #1: Pistons send Ish Smith, Bullock, Ellenson & 2nd round pick to 76'ers for Markelle Fultz & Landry Shamet.

Trade # 2: Pistons send Reggie Jackson, GR III, and Khyri Thomas, and a top-3 lottery protected 1st to Atlanta for Taurean Prince, Jeremy Lin, Alex Poythress & Kevin Huerter.

Jeremy Lin starts until Fultz fixes his shoulder, Shamet backs him up... Huerter backs up Kennard, Prince at SF with Poythress as backup.

Adds a lot of shooting, but no stars... at a cost.

hello caller go ahead.  "yeah, they should trade lindsey hunter, terry mills, and maybe a second round pick for chris webber."  

thanks caller.

come on 84.  you want philly to give up fultz AND Shamet?  shamet is better than bullock right now, why would philly do that?  to get ish who isnt any better than o'connell? and we traded out 2nd rounder to get thomas in the second round last year.  im not sure we have another to trade.  if the pistons want fultz theyre going to have to put at least a first round pick in the deal, i assume.  and if they dont, its because philly is convinced he cant play and if thats the case the pistons shouldnt trade anyone for him.

and why would atlanta trade prince and heueter (two first rounders) just to take on reggie's salary and get a mid first round pick back?

come on man.  youre better than that.

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1 hour ago, Sydney_Fife said:

Lin and Dedmon for Jackson, Ellenson, and our 2019 first.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya3gwdym

I like how ESPN predicts both teams would lose more games as a result of this trade.

I'd do it in a heartbeat to move Reggie's contract, get a Center so we can shop Dre more aggressively, get Lin's 3pt shooting for this season, and so on. But, I'm not sure why the Hawks would do it unless they really want an extra mid-round pick.

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