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3 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

The second step is a complete repudiation of Trumpism from mainstream Republicans. This includes specifically the racism and the willingness to resort to fascist violence. All of the rest of a Republican Party agenda, which I don't even know what that is anymore... but let's start with a re-commitment to the global trading network (NOT destructive Tariff Wars) and fiscal responsibility (NOT slashing taxes irresponsibly leading to $1 Trillion annual deficits). How about a viable health care plan or climate change plan?

but this is the problem. A new GOP is not going to take voters from the Dems on Healthcare or Climate, and voters don't give a rat's asz about the details of international trade unless you can make it relevant to their employment, and traditional GOP free trade arguments are dead losers on that score today - the recognition of which is not in the least  what helped catapult DJT  to his leadership of the party. I've noted this before but one of conservationism's biggest problems is that there is nothing to be the counterbalance to when you are 15 years into political gridlock. You can't offer conservative alternatives/moderation and reform of change when no change has been able to happen for the last generation. Well there was one big thing they could have contributed to, which was the ACA but they decided to settle for pure obstruction. Principled US conservatism flowered as the reform response to the massive  sloppy legal and economic changes and foreign policy foment of the 50's and 60's. But as effective progressivism began to die after Reagan, the companion stagnation of conservatism inevitably followed.

Today in the US, the conservative agenda is all weighted to cultural issues, of which most are not even within the realm of politics and governance under a conservative theory. There is no conservative political program for evangelicals feeling under cultural assault or that will make gay people disappear from the TV or turn rappers into Frank Sinatra or make academics stop substituting pronouns or to put the high tech  genie back in the bottle or especially make all the brown people move somewhere else. 

The very conflict between classic conservatism  and Trumpism is at heart over the fact that none of the things listed above should even be of interest to a true old style conservative because they are outside the charter of conservative government - but if you take the grievances over those things away, the current GOP doesn't have enough constituency left to win anything.

Or short form, you have to be FOR something more than international mercantilism/free trade and corporate laissez-fairism  to build any constituency outside fortune 500 investors. You have to have a positive conservative domestic political agenda around things that government is actually  supposed to do for the middle class like education, infrastructure, the environment, middle class economics, i.e more than the cultural grievances that conservative government has no business in anyway. As long as the conservative party has nothing more to offer than NO or kill the beast or  let's make the government even more incompetent on all these issues, any new party trying to move away from grievance politics will be dead in the water.

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I agree with you 100%.

It's absolutely a problem for the Republican Party.

Will they resort to fascism and violence to try and retain power? Since they are currently bankrupt on progressive (I'll call it Teddy Roosevelt progressivism, not AOC progressivism) policy?

That's the route Trump has taken them, and wanted to take them all the way into overthrowing a legitimately elected government in order to install himself as dictator. 

That's a no go for me. So... Destroy Trump and Trumpism. First. And what are they left with? Not much of anything.

So they better figure out how to recreate the conservative party into something that actually may have a political future. And I don't know what all that is. I have a few ideas...

Otherwise, they will fall further into fascism which, if I am reading the current (post Capital-Seditious-Ransack) Republican political climate, is a 90% rejection of fascism and a 10% doubling down. The repudiation of Trump has begun. 

I am less certain how the Party views Trumpism. I mean... I'm guessing they would like to remain politically viable.

Hence... a pretty difficult road ahead is facing the Republican Party.

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10 hours ago, ewsieg said:

No doubt.  Trump was always going to bring the party down, it was just a matter of how long it would take.  IMO, in a purely political stance, Pelosi and then Biden could let him skate, say they aren't doing anything to heal the country, and enjoy an influx of independents that are appalled by Trump and realizing just how idiotic his base has become.

By doing this, they are burning the GOP to the ground which is about the only way I can envision some form of viable GOP party in the future should the moderates win out and are the ones rebuilding.  It's simply the only shot to have a future for the party.  Long shot indeed, but a shot nonetheless.  

This is my viewpoint in short form.

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Peggy Noonan has the scales fall from her eyes.

 

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I voted against Barbara Comstock in her 2018 race because i needed to wipe the stain of Trumpism.  She appears to be fighting to get back into the graces of the NeverTrump world

 

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Another brand new GOP congressmember who is not for domestic terrorism

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Well, these guys are back from their journey through the swamp of early nevertrumpism, trump caution, trump curiosity, anti-anti-trumpism, and now -apparently - back to never trump.

 

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I really think some of these jerks need to be expelled under the 14th amendment

 

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Jay has been pretty much in the Nevertrump camp all along but his is an important voice

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One of the interesting things that is showing up is how sealed off the Fox News eco-system is. During the last few hot news periods - the election coverage, the Capitol siege, etc - Fox News ends up in 3rd place and trailing badly in the ratings. That is, when people who are not already plugged into cable news want news - they go to CNN or MSNBC and not Fox. They have the highest floor but also the lowest ceiling of the cable news outlets. That is good for profits, but not necessarily for expanding influence.

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I still prefer CNN.... I don't care for the opinion shows all that much.... but if something's going on and I want to put on the news they are my first stop rather than MSNBC or Fox.   I do miss the good old days of just having 2 guys there give the news.  I preferred their sports show to ESPN.  Fred HIckman, Nick Charles.... 

 

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6 hours ago, Oblong said:

I still prefer CNN.... I don't care for the opinion shows all that much.... but if something's going on and I want to put on the news they are my first stop rather than MSNBC or Fox.   I do miss the good old days of just having 2 guys there give the news.  I preferred their sports show to ESPN.  Fred HIckman, Nick Charles.... 

 

I like Van Jones, Anderson Cooper, and Chris Cuomo especially.

Love Dana Bash... what a little sweetie. Smart, always makes the greatest points, beautiful, and very petite. I love.

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The battle for the future of the GOP is the battle for Liz Cheney's position in the house leadership.   She's Little Round Top. 

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Just now, Oblong said:

Liz vs Gym?

I go with Liz.

 

If she is as bright and unflappable as her father, yes.

Her father is the whitebread version of a mafia don.

Gym on the other hand is a clown.

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23 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

The battle for the future of the GOP is the battle for Liz Cheney's position in the house leadership.   She's Little Round Top. 

liz likely wont be re-elected as rep from wyoming, much less the house leader in the gop.

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Just now, Buddha said:

liz likely wont be re-elected as rep from wyoming, much less the house leader in the gop.

That's your battle. 

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Just now, ROMAD1 said:

That's your battle. 

that's your result.

and that's your party.

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Just now, Buddha said:

that's your result.

and that's your party.

Easy enough to say.  Wyoming is not the same as WV.

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