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25 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

G2 and others...I'm sold that Citizens United needs to be undone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/23/john-roberts-comes-face-face-with-mess-he-made/

Milbank pretty much hits the nail on the head.

CU is just such a classic example of intellectually losing the forest for the trees. The most fundamental statement of the Western understanding of moral and political reality is that rights inhere in individuals and individuals only. The Constitution taken as a whole literally shouts that at the reader. How 5 (well 4)  otherwise intelligent men could tie themselves up so tightly in secondary and tertiary derivative concerns around standing and statutes is a classic case study in ......stupid.

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Pompeo has got to go. I'm placing this here because Weaver reposted this from the Project Lincoln site.

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1 hour ago, ROMAD1 said:

Pompeo has got to go. I'm placing this here because Weaver reposted this from the Project Lincoln site.

what's as amazing as the boorish behavior and totalitarian attempt to stifle the press is the shear stupidity. *You* call a reporter in from the hall for a tirade and expect you get  off the record just because you are a legend in your own mind?

 

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On 1/1/2020 at 9:01 PM, ROMAD1 said:

 

Whew, I dumped Catholicism just in time, it seems.

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In response to the David Frum tweet, heard an interesting take....had to be a podcast but I can't cite it, that democrats should be careful when they say they are taking over hispanics votes as while that might be true in most states, they need to be mindful of Florida (big swing state) as the hispanics there tend to have more hatred towards Castro then Trump.

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15 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

In response to the David Frum tweet, heard an interesting take....had to be a podcast but I can't cite it, that democrats should be careful when they say they are taking over hispanics votes as while that might be true in most states, they need to be mindful of Florida (big swing state) as the hispanics there tend to have more hatred towards Castro then Trump.

The anti-Castro Cubans are also already in a GOP demo as they are mostly older voters.

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

The anti-Castro Cubans are also already in a GOP demo as they are mostly older voters.

From what I heard on that segment, the younger generation have a very clear understanding of what Castro did to their parents and they don't want to play around with socialism, rather is has 'democratic' in front of it or not.

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3 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

From what I heard on that segment, the younger generation have a very clear understanding of what Castro did to their parents and they don't want to play around with socialism, rather is has 'democratic' in front of it or not.

I'm sure there is some echo (e.g. Rubio)  - but OTOH,  in the US political sympathies are not reliably handed down generation to generation - Witness the strong break between boomers and millenials.

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If you let capitalism go unchecked, you'll get horrors equal to those of socialism.  That's why we have a mix of both in this country. We would all be better off to accept that and stay away from the extremes.  

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9 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

If you let capitalism go unchecked, you'll get horrors equal to those of socialism.  That's why we have a mix of both in this country. We would all be better off to accept that and stay away from the extremes.  

What are the horrors of socialism?

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7 minutes ago, pfife said:

What are the horrors of socialism?

Haven't you seen how bad they have it in Norway? With their better health care, education, income equality, lower poverty, lower crime, increased civil liberties etc? They live happier and healthier lives. We don't need none of that in the US.

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32 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

If you let capitalism go unchecked, you'll get horrors equal to those of socialism.  That's why we have a mix of both in this country. We would all be better off to accept that and stay away from the extremes.  

'Horror' was not  the experience in the Western democracies like England and Scandinavia in the post WWII period. The dangers of taking too much incentive (profit) out of the economy is not horror - it's stagnation and loss of wealth generating capability in the economy. Your nation slowly gets poor, but it does not necessarily imply any extreme hardship. Now if simply falling behind all your neighbor nations is horror - and it may be definable as political horror for the party in power, then that needs to be specified in the definition. And the free political systems in both Scandinavia and England responded with reforms to the welfare state to increase economic  health.

Actual hardship correlates much better with imbalance of power - whether it is political power in a dictatorship, or economic power as in oligarchy or darwinist capitalism, or a racist/discriminatory economic structure.

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19 minutes ago, pfife said:

What are the horrors of socialism?

According to my uncle on Facebook who shares every pro trump meme I can find, the choices are either unbridled capitalism or Venezuela...... they also like to show pictures of abandoned trash filled houses in Detroit and Baltimore to point out how living under "democrat rule" is bad.

 

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Just now, Oblong said:

According to my uncle on Facebook who shares every pro trump meme I can find, the choices are either unbridled capitalism or Venezuela...... they also like to show pictures of abandoned trash filled houses in Detroit and Baltimore to point out how living under "democrat rule" is bad.

 

Detroit and Baltimore definitely aren't part of capitalism America

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I don't know about horror, but I don't think a completely socialist country would be a good place to live, nor would a total capitalist country.  I don't think any of the typical examples such as the Scandinavian countries and Canada are really socialist.  They are a mix.   

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2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't know about horror, but I don't think a completely socialist country would be a good place to live, nor would a total capitalist country.  I don't think any of the typical examples such as the Scandinavian countries and Canada are really socialist.  They are a mix.   

I don't think there's really a socialist country out there, so the horrors are theoretical at best.

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6 minutes ago, pfife said:

I don't think there's really a socialist country out there, so the horrors are theoretical at best.

I agree.  I also don't think there is really a capitalist country which is a good thing.  

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5 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't know about horror, but I don't think a completely socialist country would be a good place to live, nor would a total capitalist country.  I don't think any of the typical examples such as the Scandinavian countries and Canada are really socialist.  They are a mix.   

which is pretty much what you would get (and for that matter already have) if leadership with more socialist leaning were elected in the US. You still have to persuade people that your proposals can work, still have to hammer them into legislative form still have to get the votes in Congress, still have to conform to the basic limits set in the constitution, etc.,etc.. Trumps has caused more plants to close with his tariff actions than the number likely to be forced to close by any bill actually put through Congress.

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15 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I agree.  I also don't think there is really a capitalist country which is a good thing.  

I think there has been in the past and we can learn from it.

Spoiler alert, there were ones in the past, now there's not.   HMMMMM...... weird

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The key is recognizing where profit drive is constructive vs destructive on the one hand, and where public action is useful and cooperative vs falls into the 'tragedy of the commons' on the other. The nation's primary/secondary educational system was the envy of the world for 150 years with no profit motive. It has fallen on hard times now but not been helped at all by the injection of 'market' based experiments in more recent years. Education has proven to be an economic sector that functions just fine under 'socialist' principles. OTOH, when I buy a computer, I want the company I bought it from to have had to compete in an open marketplace tooth and nail to provide me every bit of feature at the very lowest cost. If the computer business had been socialized we would still probably only have 40 or 50 Eniacs around the country merrily toasting everything that got near them.

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