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3 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Older black voters as a group tend to be more centrist than both black voters, and democratic voters, overall.  Polling data has shown that to be the case for quite some time (i.e. decades).

Older Black voters, and older White voters, and older Asian voters, and older....

What about blacks overall? Especially millennial blacks?

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Just now, 313DetroitCity said:

Did I call you a racist, or are you just happy to take that crown?

i asked you and you didnt answer the question.  instead you did what you usually do: make some bull**** comment about something else and insinuate that everyone here is a racist.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

The bickering adds nothing but salt.

then tell him to stop bickering and stop arguing disingenuously.

there's plenty if room for civil disagreement.

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3 minutes ago, Buddha said:

clinton beat sanders among black voters 76% to 23%.  i think black voters have a long history of being more "middle of the road" in the democratic primaries when there isnt a prominent black candidate running.

and not to get into obama cause he's a special case, but he wasnt running on left wing economic policies either.

Younger black voters preferred Sanders over Clinton. Older black voters voted like the rest of America, for the establishment candidate they knew best and thought would win. That doesn't make black voters "more conservative". 

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Yes, the older a person is, the more his or her policy views tend to shift towards the right.  The effect tends to be more pronounced with black voters.  Maybe it is just wisdom in knowing liberal radical candidates and proposals don't go far.

Whether voting (or preferring) more conservative actually makes one more conservative or not, well, that is an argument I am not particularly interested in parsing out.

Will millennial voters vote?  That will go a long way to getting Trump out of office in an embarrassing fashion (historic landslide loss).  Here's hoping.

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1 minute ago, Buddha said:

i asked you and you didnt answer the question.  instead you did what you usually do: make some bull**** comment about something else and insinuate that everyone here is a racist.

I said everyone here is a racist?

You made comments based on your gut feeling, and when presented with evidence that black voters genuinely don't like Pete because of his record with the black community you ignored it and said "well black people are more conservative". 

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1 minute ago, 313DetroitCity said:

Younger black voters preferred Sanders over Clinton. Older black voters voted like the rest of America, for the establishment candidate they knew best and thought would win. That doesn't make black voters "more conservative". 

it kind of does considering how many of them vote.

why is considering black voters as more conservative a bad thing?

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Just now, 313DetroitCity said:

I said everyone here is a racist?

You made comments based on your gut feeling, and when presented with evidence that black voters genuinely don't like Pete because of his record with the black community you ignored it and said "well black people are more conservative". 

you implied i made a racist comment (and then backed off when confronted about it) and then basically called mb a racist.

as for pete, i think he had 0 support among black voters before most people knew who he was and he has 0 support now.  i dont think its because of what he did in south bend.  a couple articles on vox dont change that.

why did bernie has small support?  why does warren have no support?  why do black voters like biden so much?

honest question.  why do you think?

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39 minutes ago, 313DetroitCity said:

Ask yourself this question honestly - if Pete has appallingly bad support from the black community in his own town, do you expect blacks from outside of his constituency to vote for him?

Ditto Mike Bloomberg

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8 minutes ago, Buddha said:

you implied i made a racist comment (and then backed off when confronted about it) and then basically called mb a racist.

as for pete, i think he had 0 support among black voters before most people knew who he was and he has 0 support now.  i dont think its because of what he did in south bend.  a couple articles on vox dont change that.

why did bernie has small support?  why does warren have no support?  why do black voters like biden so much?

honest question.  why do you think?

You making a racially ignorant comment doesn't mean I called you a racist. It is a tired strategy to go that route anytime someone calls you out for it. And MotownBombers is racist. His past comments make that clear. 

Second, Pete was an elected official in South Bend. The black people in South Bend (including black leaders) thought he was TERRIBLE with their community. To think that has no impact on how he is viewed nationally is to say that black voters simply don't follow the news or know what is going on in the world. He has had ample time to ingratiate himself to black voters since he announced his run, and yet he continues to poll horribly with black voters because he continues to show that he doesn't know how to connect with the community. His recent example of listing black leaders who endorsed him (without asking them if they endorsed him) is an example of that. The fact that South Bend City Council people who are black endorsed Biden and Sanders over Pete says a lot about his cache in the community.

Also, I already mentioned that Sanders does have a lot of black support among black millenials. They favored him over Clinton. Sanders in general is having trouble with older voters because of the fear of "socialism".

Warren has trouble with black voters because she is viewed as ivy-league and disconnected. And Biden had the support of Obama, so people feel safe in feeling like he is on their side.

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7 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Ditto Mike Bloomberg

Bloomberg isn't even a real candidate. He is literally buying his way into the conversation, and the media is playing along. Perfect example of what is wrong with this election system.

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1 minute ago, 313DetroitCity said:

Bloomberg isn't even a real candidate. He is literally buying his way into the conversation, and the media is playing along. Perfect example of what is wrong with this election system.

No argument from me. 

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8 minutes ago, 313DetroitCity said:

You making a racially ignorant comment doesn't mean I called you a racist. It is a tired strategy to go that route anytime someone calls you out for it. And MotownBombers is racist. His past comments make that clear. 

Second, Pete was an elected official in South Bend. The black people in South Bend (including black leaders) thought he was TERRIBLE with their community. To think that has no impact on how he is viewed nationally is to say that black voters simply don't follow the news or know what is going on in the world. He has had ample time to ingratiate himself to black voters since he announced his run, and yet he continues to poll horribly with black voters because he continues to show that he doesn't know how to connect with the community. His recent example of listing black leaders who endorsed him (without asking them if they endorsed him) is an example of that. The fact that South Bend City Council people who are black endorsed Biden and Sanders over Pete says a lot about his cache in the community.

Also, I already mentioned that Sanders does have a lot of black support among black millenials. They favored him over Clinton. Sanders in general is having trouble with older voters because of the fear of "socialism".

Warren has trouble with black voters because she is viewed as ivy-league and disconnected. And Biden had the support of Obama, so people feel safe in feeling like he is on their side.

saying black voters as a group are more conservative is not a racially ignorant statement.

do you think bigglesworth is racially ignorant too?  

not supporting the socialism proposed by bernie sanders is more conservative than supporting it.  ergo the majority of black voters supporting clinton over sanders because of their dislike (or fear if thats what you want to call it) of his economic policies was the more conservative position to take.

and hey, we agree about biden!  hurray!

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1 minute ago, Buddha said:

saying black voters as a group are more conservative is not a racially ignorant statement.

do you think bigglesworth is racially ignorant too?  

not supporting the socialism proposed by bernie sanders is more conservative than supporting it.  ergo the majority of black voters supporting clinton over sanders because of their dislike (or fear if thats what you want to call it) of his economic policies was the more conservative position to take.

and hey, we agree about biden!  hurray!

Claiming that black voters weren't aware of Pete until recently, and that is why he is polling so low is to say that black voters simply don't follow the news, and don't know Pete's positions or policies. I gave you ample examples of how his community of black voters has publicly repudiated him, but you act as if that has no impact on how he is viewed by black voters as a whole. That is the issue I had with your comment.

 

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1 minute ago, 313DetroitCity said:

Claiming that black voters weren't aware of Pete until recently, and that is why he is polling so low is to say that black voters simply don't follow the news, and don't know Pete's positions or policies. I gave you ample examples of how his community of black voters has publicly repudiated him, but you act as if that has no impact on how he is viewed by black voters as a whole. That is the issue I had with your comment.

 

i dont think most voters, black white brown yellow or purple, were aware of pete until recently.

let's see if we can agree on this: now that pete is in the spotlight because he is winning iowa, and he is openly courting black voters in other states, if the stories of his time in south bend and some black voters' problems with his record there continue to make news and his support with black voters continues to be non-existent, then i'll change my mind.

but i think it could be equally likely that he will suffer from the same thing you said about warren: out of touch elitist white person syndrome.

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3 hours ago, 313DetroitCity said:

Black voters never rallied behind Harris or Booker either. Didn't realize they were also gay.

Must not have seen those articles Stan posted about Booker......

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Since I'm already racists, I'll just say it. I think black voters are less informed. Hillary got support because Bill was often referred to as the first black president. I look at David Clark, the sheriff from Milwaukee, who kept getting re-elected because he is black and pretended to be a Democrat. You also had Shri Thanendar, who won the Detroit vote, only because he had more name recognition since he blanketed the city with TV ads.

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3 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i dont think most voters, black white brown yellow or purple, were aware of pete until recently.

let's see if we can agree on this: now that pete is in the spotlight because he is winning iowa, and he is openly courting black voters in other states, if the stories of his time in south bend and some black voters' problems with his record there continue to make news and his support with black voters continues to be non-existent, then i'll change my mind.

but i think it could be equally likely that he will suffer from the same thing you said about warren: out of touch elitist white person syndrome.

The days of "now that I am a candidate I will appeal to black voters" is gone. Black voters want to see your track record with the community. Have you or have you not tried to build relationships with black voters before you ran for President? In Pete's case, it is a resounding no.

And since he has been running for President, his reputation among black voters has only gotten worse. Not because he is gay, but because black voters immediately learn about the problems he had with blacks in South Bend. 

Even if he tried to fix this, I don't think he is capable of doing so. He is extremely robotic and vague, and that doesn't play to the current political landscape. Black voters want specific answers to specific questions. And Pete is a guy who prefers long intellectual debates that don't get to the heart of the issue. 

At least Warren can point to specific things she did during the financial crisis to help blacks across the country. What can Pete point to? 

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36 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Yes, the older a person is, the more his or her policy views tend to shift towards the right.  The effect tends to be more pronounced with black voters.  Maybe it is just wisdom in knowing liberal radical candidates and proposals don't go far.

Whether voting (or preferring) more conservative actually makes one more conservative or not, well, that is an argument I am not particularly interested in parsing out.

Will millennial voters vote?  That will go a long way to getting Trump out of office in an embarrassing fashion (historic landslide loss).  Here's hoping.

I keep going further left as I age, but I am odd.

Trump losing in embarrassing fashion in a time of decent economy and relative peace has been my hope since he was elected.  Losing because he's a douchebag and not getting credit for anything would be the best.  

 

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I'm not inclined to ever go back to a GOP that features these shambling eunuchs and drunken closet cases.

 

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At the end of the day, Pete will get no less than 85% of the black vote. What we really should be asking, is who will do better with Hispanics? There are a few Trump states in play because of the Hispanic vote (Arizona, Florida, Texas). There's more variation in the Hispanic vote than black vote.

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3 minutes ago, 313DetroitCity said:

The days of "now that I am a candidate I will appeal to black voters" is gone. Black voters want to see your track record with the community. Have you or have you not tried to build relationships with black voters before you ran for President? In Pete's case, it is a resounding no.

And since he has been running for President, his reputation among black voters has only gotten worse. Not because he is gay, but because black voters immediately learn about the problems he had with blacks in South Bend. 

Even if he tried to fix this, I don't think he is capable of doing so. He is extremely robotic and vague, and that doesn't play to the current political landscape. Black voters want specific answers to specific questions. And Pete is a guy who prefers long intellectual debates that don't get to the heart of the issue. 

At least Warren can point to specific things she did during the financial crisis to help blacks across the country. What can Pete point to? 

yeah, i dont know if pete will be able to overcome that.  we shall see!  if he wins iowa i think we'll start to see him pick up some more black voters as more people become aware of him. but the flip side of that is like you said: more dirt on his south bend time will come out.

i dont think warren will win many black voters at all because she's far left and people dont seem to like her.  the same reason she wont win many new white voters either.

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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

At the end of the day, Pete will get no less than 85% of the black vote. What we really should be asking, is who will do better with Hispanics? There are a few Trump states in play because of the Hispanic vote (Arizona, Florida, Texas). There's more variation in the Hispanic vote than black vote.

more hispanics like donald trump than people seem to think.

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