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12 hours ago, Yoda said:

Yeah, not sure what to tell you. I thought all Americans did this. I'm pretty sure most do and you just don't notice it unless someone young does it. 

Maybe. I'll have to keep my eyes and ears peeled for that.

I really started to notice this during the 2016 campaign. Nobody really says Hillary "Clin-ton", fully verbalizing both the t and the final n, but I was noticing younger commentators say her last name in a way I hadn't noticed before. It took me a long time to figure out how it was different, but I would hear many of them say something like "Cli'-ehn", leaving the final n kind of hanging, nasalized and not fully leaning into it. It also sounds like they are clipping the first syllable a bit at the end, effectively separating the syllables rather than running them together. I myself, and most people my age I know, both run the syllables together and lean more into that final n. (I don't know hardly anyone who verbalizes the "t", even as a soft "t" that's close to "d".)

I may have a self selecting bias as you suggest, but I hypothesized that the pronunciation might be a generational divide, which can and does happen. I think maybe it "drives me nuts" because it sounds so unfamiliar to me, which has the effect of seeming wrong, even though it's really not. I assume it's rooted in something regional, but maybe it arose by zeitgeist, who knows.

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On 10/18/2019 at 2:05 PM, Buddha said:

im not sure dan gilbert would be an upgrade on the illitchs as owner.  gilbert is a notorious cheap *** who only won anything because he had the greatest player in the league on his team, then proceeded to alienate said player.

of course, if gilbert can get mlb to rig its draft process for the tigers the way the nba rigged it for cleveland, then by all means, bring on dan gilbert!

Preach.

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On 10/18/2019 at 8:23 PM, Yoda said:

Yeah, not sure what to tell you. I thought all Americans did this. I'm pretty sure most do and you just don't notice it unless someone young does it. 

Millennials, gen X, baby boomers, left handers, snowflakes, Amish, 3rd shifters, vegans, Bigfoot believers,....

I mean, if they aren’t carbon copies of me, they’re ******* up America.

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On 10/18/2019 at 5:47 PM, chasfh said:

Is she a millennial? I've recently observed that so many of them drop that "t" and completely nasalize the "n": Charlie "Mor-ehn"; "Manha-ehn"; I'm "cer-ehn"; etc. I don't hear X-ers or Boomers do that. Drives me nuts. 

Are you sure it's the Millennials doing it and not the Zommers? I hate it when Zoomers do something stupid and people blame it on the Millennials.  

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4 hours ago, bobrob2004 said:

Are you sure it's the Millennials doing it and not the Zommers? I hate it when Zoomers do something stupid and people blame it on the Millennials.  

I don't know what either a Zommer or a Zoomer is, but I've observed this mainly from people in the 20s and 30s.

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2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don't know what either a Zommer or a Zoomer is, but I've observed this mainly from people in the 20s and 30s.

Typo.  Zoomer is the generation after Millennial, born around 1996.  Currently teenagers/early 20s.  

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OK. I've observed that vocalization in older people of the Millennial generation (probably the first time in history those six words were ever strung together in that order), but it's probably prevalent among Zoomers as well.

I've wondered whether that vocalization was introduced into the American speech pattern by young people of color, maybe first-generation Latinx millennials? The vocalization does sound slightly accented in that way.

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Did Gilbert own the Cav's prior to any salary cap?  Otherwise, we really don't know how he cheap he is, unless the Cadaver's consistently spend under the cap.

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17 minutes ago, chasfh said:

older people of the Millennial generation

= older Millennials

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22 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

= older Millennials

Not quite. I meant it as, people older than Zoomers and who are of the Millennial generation.

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47 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Did Gilbert own the Cav's prior to any salary cap?  Otherwise, we really don't know how he cheap he is, unless the Cadaver's consistently spend under the cap.

NBA isn't a hard cap. You have "Bird right" to go over to sign your own players. For years Gilbert had the Cavs far over the cap overpaying their own players, often to keep guys Lebron wanted around. Gilbert was cheap with a lowball offer to a GM, who is well respected and now with New Orleans. People speculated that's because Gilbert considers himself the GM and is very hands on. He's probably hard to work for (too hands-on), gets overly emotional (Lebron letter), but definitely cares about winning.

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Dan Gilbert sounds an awful lot like Mr. I. Mr. I had a huge heart and put his money where his heart was. However, I do not want to see a repeat of the penthouse to the outhouse again. 

I do wonder now if Illitch is planning to sell the team. That just adds another huge unknown to the existing situation regarding the rebuild. Chris has talked a good game, but what is his motive? 

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I agree. Hard to tell what Chris I is really up to. Sort of reminds me of what happened to the Pistons when their former owner Mr D died. His daughter took over and kept the team in limbo a few years as she looked for a buyer. 

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

It was Davidson's wife that sold the team, wasn't it?

Could be that she was technically the owner. Don't recall. But I'm pretty sure it was his daughter who basically took over operations and directed things toward the sale. Think her name is Karen? I could be misremembering this

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Yes it was his wife.  I don't think he had a daughter.  His wife was young so you are thinking that was a daughter, but it was his wife.

That's what old billionaires do.

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7 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Yes it was his wife.  I don't think he had a daughter.  His wife was young so you are thinking that was a daughter, but it was his wife.

That's what old billionaires do.

Lol, my bad. You guys are right, and yes, I figured it was his daughter because of the age difference

 

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20110102/AWARDS09/301029982/karen-davidson

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Maybe Chris Ilitch is setting/getting his Tiger organization straightened out in order to sell ..or maybe he is setting/getting his Tiger organization straightened out because it absolutely was such a total mess that anything less would be financially irresponsible.

Most of the points that Holly Horning makes on her Totally Tigers blog are things that could be interpreted either way.  

And why do some people insist that one of the clues pointing to a possible sale to Dan Gilbert is because he owns the Cleveland Cavaliers?  Seriously ..since when does a billionaire currently owning an NBA team automatically become qualified proof that the same billionaire is also actively seeking to own an MLB team?

One thing is true!  Since MLB began ..every MLB team has been sold.  So eventually, the speculative rumors of a sale will come true.  All one needs do is keep repeating the rumor until that day arrives.

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I think since Gilbert is an active sports franchise owner and heavily invested financially in downtown Detroit it makes sense to make such an assumption. He also made efforts to cut ties with casinos. But I agree, who knows if that has anything to do with the Tigers. And he's had serious health issues. 

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Speaking of the Totally Tigers blog, this week’s musings. Good stuff.

By:  Holly Horning

Last Friday, I blogged about the disconnect between the Tigers’ 114 – loss season and the team’s apparent unwillingness to make any changes to their strategy for rebuilding (or “rebuilding” if you prefer). And in that blog, the only rationale that made sense rests on the premise that the Tigers are on the selling block.

After all, if you have as bad a season as they did, don’t see things turning around anytime soon and still refuse to make any changes whatsoever, it is the only plausible explanation.

And in that blog, we identified reports that name Dan Gilbert as the potential new owner. We also gathered first-hand evidence from Comerica employees that something is going on within the organization. If you didn’t read Part One, well, shame on you. But here’s your chance at redemption:

https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2019/10/17/hope/


Now, as promised, here’s the most important information that points to a sale of the team.

First, the timing. The Tigers are not expected to be competitive for a number of years, which means that attendance and viewership will continue to fall off. Attendance, in particular, will be a significant challenge. Revenue managed to stay consistent for the past 2 years, but as time moves forward, making a profit will be harder and hard to come by. The stats are already showing a significant drop-off for 2019.

Fox Sports Detroit was also sold to Sinclair Broadcasting this past year with expectations that changes will be coming. The Tigers’ media rights contract expires at the end of 2021 with estimates that any new contract may actually double from the current $50 million to $100 mill.

Enter Chris Ilitch. He has said that he is exploring starting his own regional network and has trademarked a number of names in anticipation of such a move. Half of all MLB teams have some part ownership in their regional network and this move has been a cash cow for each of them.

Owning a regional sports network gives you the best of both worlds. You no longer have to address the ever-changing expenses of running an MLB team. No more losing expensive players to injuries and still having to pay them. With a tv network, once the initial start-up costs have been paid, there is relatively little expenditure from year to year. And owning a network offers multiple revenue streams, not just one, when you consider broadcast rights, subscriptions and advertising.

Best of all? You don’t have to own the baseball team in order to profit from broadcasting the games. You could simply make the broadcast rights contract part of the deal when you sell the team. And the timing of the contract’s end falls into line with the strategy.

Two other significant issues loom on the horizon. The first is a potential players strike that is gaining ground and could happen sometime in 2021. It would mean that owners would take a big hit – unless they sold their team before then.

The other is the proposed overhaul being suggested by MLB of the minor leagues. It would include upping the pay for players which also means that owners would be spending more on payroll, system upgrades and other amenities.

All moves that would inspire an owner thinking of selling to move sooner rather than later.

Add to this at least one sighting of Steve Greenberg, Hank’s son, at Comerica. I have written about this before but it bears repeating.

There are pictures and interviews of him less than 2 years ago with the journalists’ questions centered around him visiting his father’s statue. The assumptions were that it was a friendly, informal visit as a fan. It was anything but. In fact, Greenberg looked slightly uncomfortable as his visit gained media attention. He is known to operate in the shadows and is extremely secretive about his work.

Greenberg, was dressed in a pinstripe suit and carrying a briefcase. He wasn’t there for a game. Or at least, let’s hope not.

Steve is the former Deputy Assistant Commissioner of MLB who went on to be baseball’s consummate dealmaker. He is also the brains behind creating MLB tv and has worked on regional network deals as well as media rights consulting for a number of baseball teams.

He also is the top expert on the buying and selling of sports teams. He put together the deal for client Dan Gilbert when he bought the Cleveland Cavaliers. Gee, what a coincidence….

Also, coincidentally, he is also known as one of Mike Ilitch’s “most trusted advisors” and worked on the deal to buy the Tigers. It’s only logical that he would also return to help with the sale.

Given Greenberg’s appearances at Comerica and these two clients of his, it’s fair to assume that they are working on at least one deal. Maybe two if you consider the creation of a regional sports network.

Let’s continue to add to this by including the strange dance between Chris Ilitch and Al Avila. An action that contradicts a statement of support.

As everyone knows, Ilitch extended his General Manager’s contract by issuing a very general statement. No examples were given. And he did it by press release. Questions directed to Chris were not returned.

It was a decision made suddenly and without warning. A press conference called literally at the last minute which made it hard for the non-local media to attend. National media that would be absent and unable to ask the hard questions that the local reporters are afraid to ask.

It was done on the Fourth of July holiday weekend, late on a Friday afternoon and caught everyone by surprise.

They specialize in this tactic in Washington when they want to bury a story and make it a “non-issue.”

Ilitch didn’t even attend the press conference and Al Avila was forced to announce his job extension himself. Talk about awkward……

But the most interesting part of the move was the information that the team refuses to reveal. The length of the extension. It is a secret.

And the Tigers are the only team in MLB to not reveal the length of their GM’s contract.

So you have to ask why?

What are they afraid of? Why is it a secret?

They did it for a reason.

Most importantly, you have to ask for what purpose could withholding this information satisfy?

Understand that within the next year or two, this issue is going to surface again. People are going to ask just how long will Avila be the GM. It’s a question that will only get more pronounced as time goes on.

And it will create continued controversy for the owner.

Unless he has no intention of being the owner down the road.

Let’s face it, logically it makes sense that Avila is merely a convenient place holder right now for Chris. He does not have Ilitch’s support. If he did, Ilitch would have presided over the press conference as owners do and talked specifics.

Instead, Chris was nowhere to be found.

The mysterious extension more likely is serving – on the surface – as a tool to promote stability among fans and keep away outside suitors from messing with the timeline. An “all is well” vibe is what is desired. A duck (an employed GM) seen on the surface of the water but underneath, he (ownership) is paddling furiously. Ilitch only wants you to see the duck, not his feet.

The purpose? This may be an open-ended contract that terminates with a change in ownership. New owners love this detail as it means they are not responsible for paying people they intend on letting go. It also makes it easier to fire people – a job everyone dislikes doing.

In a similar vein, Ron Gardenhire’s contract was supposed to end when Avila’s original agreement did. Avila was extended, thus ending his lame duck status. But Gardy’s was not – and it may not matter.

His coaches were also extended but unlike their original multi-year contracts, and like Avila’s, the length of their contracts was not released publicly. How convenient.

One could surmise that if a new owner takes over, he would not be committed to paying anyone beyond next year.

Let’s hope that is the case.


 

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well, that is certainly a veritable cloud of smoke, but even if it was true before Gilbert's apparently non-trivally severe stroke, certainty about any and all prior assumptions about the man's plans pretty much go out the window when faced with more immediate issues of health and rehab etc.

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Gilbert very well may want to buy the tigers. And Chris may want to sell them. But that blog post sucks. 

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10 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Gilbert very well may want to buy the tigers. And Chris may want to sell them. But that blog post sucks. 

How so?

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