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Not yet. One more long post full of hypotheticals should do it. 

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10 hours ago, Oblong said:

Then the rule should have said "The family of the owner, or the family of an owner"  or "the spouse".  It didn't.  This isn't a technicality of a broad concept.  It would have been quite easy to have the language say what I suggested.

If the other owners, who are responsible for creating hte rule, had a problem with it then they could have changed it or done something else.  It's a system run by the owners and it's their rules.  If they are ok with it then everyone else should be too.  It's not a federal regulation.

 

Hasn't this rule been in effect since the Black Sox days? I'm guessing no one thought a woman would own a casino or team so spouse isn't part of the language. If that is the case, this is probably a dated rule anyways. 

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Mr. Ilitch bought the team for $92 million and it’s worth $1.225 billion today.  The Tigers have lost money in seven of the last 10 years and they lost $47 million last year. Unless the Ilitch’s have a deep emotional connection to the Detroit Tigers that $1.1 billion can’t hold a candle to, it could be seen as a wise business decision to sell.  The only rational reason not to sell would be if owning the Tigers is critical to the Ilitch’s downtown development plans and that continued ownership also outweighs $1.1 billion. 

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They have also said that they are in on the Tigers long-term, which no one really believes, and that they have no intention of selling, which no one also really believes, but which is a good strategy to get a buyer willing to pay what they want. Being desperate and showing your hand is a poor negotiation strategy.  But of course if I understand this I’m sure Dan Gilbert understands it too.  

It’s not that I want new ownership, I just want people who are willing to pony up the money it takes to compete and I have a feeling that the present ownership is not willing to do that.  I don’t blame them. The rebuilding stage is critical, but I don’t want this team to be in the rebuilding stage in perpetuity. 

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6 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

They have also said that they are in on the Tigers long-term, which no one really believes, and that they have no intention of selling, which no one also really believes, but which is a good strategy to get a buyer willing to pay what they want. Being desperate and showing your hand is a poor negotiation strategy.  But of course if I understand this I’m sure Dan Gilbert understands it too.  

It’s not that I want new ownership, I just want people who are willing to pony up the money it takes to compete and I have a feeling that the present ownership is not willing to do that.  I don’t blame them. The rebuilding stage is critical, but I don’t want this team to be in the rebuilding stage in perpetuity. 

I don't know what to make of Chris Ilitch yet.  I don't think we know enough to know enough.

We know Dan Gilbert will spend money and has made himself look like a buffoon before.  I don't know that he'll be any better or worse than Ilitch.

I guess in any event, what we think or hope for doesn't matter much at all.  It ain't going to tip scales one way or another.

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3 hours ago, Casimir said:

I don't think we know enough to know enough.

I think we do know enough to know that he will not spend like his father did.  We also know enough to know that he did not build the Ilitch 'empire' ..merely inherited it.  We also know that he never played minor league baseball in the Detroit Tiger organization like his father did ..and thus, most likely will not put his heart and soul into the team like his father did.

 

What that all means is unclear.  The point is that I believe we do know enough to know that Chris will most likely run the team based upon the financial bottom line ..and that may or may not be good for turning the team around and successfully competing for a World Championship in my remaining lifetime.

Of all the talented players the Tigers have traded the past couple years .. I think the JV trade disappointed me the most because would have liked to see him play his entire career for just the Tigers.  But then again, am glad JV finally enjoyed a World Championship.  Maybe he will be back in Detroit via FA after 2019.

 

 

Edited to include the word "not" in very first sentence.

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11 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

The Tigers have lost money in seven of the last 10 years and they lost $47 million last year.

That all depends upon how one considers 'losing money' in running a  business.

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9 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

They have also said that they are in on the Tigers long-term, which no one really believes, and that they have no intention of selling, which no one also really believes, but which is a good strategy to get a buyer willing to pay what they want. Being desperate and showing your hand is a poor negotiation strategy.  But of course if I understand this I’m sure Dan Gilbert understands it too.  

I agree.  It is foolish to believe everything a billionaire business owner says during a public relations event.  Their role is to be there for publicity purposes and to provide positive comments ..while behind the scenes they may be considering all their options including ones that directly contradict their most relevant comments spoken during the event.

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4 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

I think we do know enough to know that he will spend like his father did.  We also know enough to know that he did not build the Ilitch 'empire' ..merely inherited it. 

All true enough.  I do raise an objection to the "merely inherited it" line here.   He's essentially been running it for a decade or more now, plenty of time to cause damage or begin dismantling it.   On the surface he seems to have solidified it and strengthened it.  So yes, he didn't "build it" but he's done much more than be the spoiled heir squandering it.

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3 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

I agree.  It is foolish to believe everything a billionaire business owner says during a public relations event.  Their role is to be there for publicity purposes and to provide positive comments ..while behind the scenes they may be considering all their options including ones that directly contradict their most relevant comments spoken during the event.

And they would be criticized if they weren't considering all their options, it's what good businesses do.   I'm content waiting to see what actually happens when the time comes that it makes sense to sign a FA or two.   

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1 minute ago, LooseGoose said:

He's essentially been running it for a decade or more now, plenty of time to cause damage or begin dismantling it.   On the surface he seems to have solidified it and strengthened it.  So yes, he didn't "build it" but he's done much more than be the spoiled heir squandering it.

Yes ..I was thinking about that when I posted ..but didn't include it in my post due to being in a hurry.  I totally agree that Chris has definitely helped run, maintain, solidify, and strengthen his family's empire.  Chris obviously is a tremendously successful 'businessman' with tremendous business talent.  That may be a strength that could translate in a highly successful 'rebuild' of the Detroit Tiger franchise.  Only time will tell.

btw:  I meant to write that "I think we do know enough to know that he will not spend like his father did."

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2 minutes ago, LooseGoose said:

I'm content waiting to see what actually happens when the time comes that it makes sense to sign a FA or two. 

I was primarily referring to Chris' comments that the Ilitch family intends to own the Tigers for a very long time.  As far as we know, Chris could be, right now, seriously contemplating the short and/or long term financial pros-vs-cons of selling the team within the next couple years.

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16 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

I think we do know enough to know that he will not spend like his father did.

Looking at the Cabrera and Martinez extensions, and I would be happy for an owner that spends a bit differently than Ilitch did.

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Yes .. like the Zimmerman, Pelfrey, Lowe, and Aviles signings.  <friendly sarcasm>

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2 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

Yes .. like the Zimmerman, Pelfrey, Lowe, and Aviles signings.  <friendly sarcasm>

Yes, I would include those as well.  I was pretty adamantly against all of those at the time, save for the Zimmermann one which I wasn't too impressed with anyway.

Although, I think Ilitch had more to do with the Cabrera and Martinez overreaches than the deals for the others.

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Don’t forget the liriano signing. He sucks and Avila should be fired. 

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It just dawned on me that the fault of the Randy Smith era lies solely with Al Avila.

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I am happy with the Miggy signing ..he will retire a Tiger ..and enter the Hall of Fame as a Tiger.  And who knows that he might hit about 150 HR's _ 400 RBI's yet during 2019 through 2023 ..which would put him around 650 HR's _  2000 RBI's for his career.  An average 150 hits per year through 2023 puts him over 3400 for his career ..an average of 30 doubles per year puts him over 700 for his career ..a collective .280 BA over the next 5 years at average 150 hits per year will close his career with a .308 BA.

Barring his string of injuries (may be due, in part, to inadequate team-training guidelines and processes) ..Miggy's signing (although expensive) was a good signing ..and if Miggy comes back to even 70% of his former self will remain a good signing.  Nobody in their right mind could have accurately foreseen his string of injury issues.

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4 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

Nobody in their right mind could have accurately foreseen his string of injury issues.

True, the number of out of shape 35 year old everyday players that play every day worry free is a long one.

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I understand the warm and fuzzy feelings of having an all time great finish his career in Detroit. So in that sense, his contract has ensured that. I don’t know if that means it was a good signing. 

Even if you couldn’t foresee the rash of injuries, it was quite foreseeable that his age over the majority of the contract was going to lead to the contract becoming a bad value. 

 

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1 minute ago, Shelton said:

I understand the warm and fuzzy feelings of having an all time great finish his career in Detroit. So in that sense, his contract has ensured that. I don’t know if that means it was a good signing. 

Even if you couldn’t foresee the rash of injuries, it was quite foreseeable that his age over the majority of the contract was going to lead to the contract becoming a bad value. 

 

I'm not willing to write off Cabrera until I see what he looks like in Spring training.

Then I will write him off.

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