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6 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

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OK, when is the last time anyone ate at Elias / Big Boy / Frisch's?

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29 minutes ago, Casimir said:

OK, when is the last time anyone ate at Elias / Big Boy / Frisch's?

July 10, 2018. I picked up a friend at DTW, on the way back to Indiana he wanted to stop for something to eat. We're crusing down US 24 at Nepoleon Ohio and he sees the Big Boy sign. The rest is history.

The place is almost empty, that's good, faster service. Not so fast my friend. They're not busy so they have a skeleton crew (not really, one looked like a skeleton the other was more like Shrek). It takes a few minutes to get drinks and we wait to order and to get drink refills (I will admit the coffee was not too bad).  My friend is not the healthiest guy so he orders a bland sandwich with a salad and fruit, I go full Big Boy with onion rings and exrta tartar sauce. We wait patiently, we have not seen each other for 2 years so we have a lot to catch up on. After a while Shrek comes up and says, "I'm sorry, our salad is not very good. I'll get one for you if you wish but  I'd recommend getting a different side. The fruit isn't OK". My friend say no thank you I'll pass on the different side just the sandwich and fruit. The "Food" Finally arrives and I commence to scarffing and he picks at the fruit and nibbles the sandwich. The skeleton keeps the coffee flowing and Shrek keeps talking about the bad salad. When we are finally readyto leave they ask if everything was OK, sorry about the salad. My friend picks up the tab and I head for the restroom to unload some of that good coffee. I was fearful of washing my hands when I was finished I did not want to touch  anything, I mean we wer in Ohio. We finally leave and I'm ready for a nap but I've gotta drive and my friend says "sorry I picked that place, do you think we can find a Subway"?

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TV ratings are down 44%:

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The Detroit Tigers have seen a 44 percent year-over-year slide in local TV ratings because fans have abandoned the struggling team to watch or do something else.<Going into this week's All Star break, the 97 Tigers broadcasts on Southfield-based Fox Sports Detroit averaged a 3.0 household rating, according to Nielsen Co. viewership data provided by the regional sports network's L.A.-based network parent, Fox Sports. That ranks 17th among the 29 U.S. regional sports networks (Toronto isn't included).

TV Issue

Their tv deal comes up within a few years. I think Disney/Fox/Att/Comcast or whoever owns the Detroit sports network will put clauses in the deal that will relate to how high tv ratings are. I don't think anyone knows what the bottom is should the team lose 90+ games/year thru 2020. Something to keep in mind to see what drives the Tigers aggression to become competitive.

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Watch for Lloyd's lumbermen to peel the bark right off this Burch fella.   Take precautions with young children, it may not be pretty.

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1 hour ago, kdog said:

TV ratings are down 44%:

TV Issue

Their tv deal comes up within a few years. I think Disney/Fox/Att/Comcast or whoever owns the Detroit sports network will put clauses in the deal that will relate to how high tv ratings are. I don't think anyone knows what the bottom is should the team lose 90+ games/year thru 2020. Something to keep in mind to see what drives the Tigers aggression to become competitive.

I'm a glass half full guy. Being 17 of 29 with a stinky team and a 50 percent cut in people is pretty good. 

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10 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

I'm a glass half full guy. Being 17 of 29 with a stinky team and a 50 percent cut in people is pretty good. 

I thinktv ratings probably drive things more than attendance. People will come back immediately to the ballpark if they see a good team. But the tv deals get locked in for 20+ years.

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3 hours ago, kdog said:

TV ratings are down 44%:

TV Issue

Their tv deal comes up within a few years. I think Disney/Fox/Att/Comcast or whoever owns the Detroit sports network will put clauses in the deal that will relate to how high tv ratings are. I don't think anyone knows what the bottom is should the team lose 90+ games/year thru 2020. Something to keep in mind to see what drives the Tigers aggression to become competitive.

I've still kept the radio on for a lot of games but I'm watching fewer myself. Of course part of that we have been gone a lot and when we have been home we've been doing a lot of work on our house so we haven't had the time to sit in front of the tube.

But another thing is that there is an art to broadcasting a bad team. Ernie had it, Dickerson has it, but Mario is not so good at it and Rod is hopeless (well, he  is hopeless anyway). Oddly enough I don't think Gibson is so bad at it. But I think it's mostly a nature of the beast kind of thing. TV broadcasts just come across as more 'homer' than the radio - so when they lose, it's just depressing. A guy like Dickerson or Ernie transmits his love of the game as a game and makes it just about a baseball game in general. That's the only way to broadcast for a bad team.

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7 minutes ago, kdog said:

I thinktv ratings probably drive things more than attendance. People will come back immediately to the ballpark if they see a good team. But the tv deals get locked in for 20+ years.

They've never been locked in for 20+ years. In the late 90s, early 2000 8 year deals were common. Today, with technology changing so fast, five years is about the norm. 

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2 hours ago, Dtfan4life said:

the other was more like Shrek

Sounds like a handsome fellow.

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17 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

They've never been locked in for 20+ years. In the late 90s, early 2000 8 year deals were common. Today, with technology changing so fast, five years is about the norm. 

Every local tv deal I've seen recently is at least 15 years. The national tv deal with fox and tbs is 8 years I think. The Rays got a deal worth $82 million/year for 15 years.

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I've still kept the radio on for a lot of games but I'm watching fewer myself. Of course part of that we have been gone a lot and when we have been home we've been doing a lot of work on our house so we haven't had the time to sit in front of the tube.

But another thing is that there is an art to broadcasting a bad team. Ernie had it, Dickerson has it, but Mario is not so good at it and Rod is hopeless (well, he  is hopeless anyway). Oddly enough I don't think Gibson is so bad at it. But I think it's mostly a nature of the beast kind of think. TV broadcasts just come across as more 'homer' than the radio - so when they lose, it's just depressing. A guy like Dickerson or Ernie transmits his love of the game as a game and makes it just about a baseball game in general. That's the only way to broadcast for a bad team.

I really dislike all the talk about launch angle and exit velocity on the broadcasts, not because it isn’t good information, but because it is presented without context most of time. Reminds me of when they started using babip years ago. 

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5 hours ago, Casimir said:

OK, when is the last time anyone ate at Elias / Big Boy / Frisch's?

In northeastern Indiana where I grew up it was Azar’s.  When I lived in Tucson it was called Bob’s Big Boy or, colloquially, Bob’s Ptomaine Palace.  In Tucson I ate there in the late 70s. It was like Denny’s with special sauce. 

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1 hour ago, kdog said:

Every local tv deal I've seen recently is at least 15 years. The national tv deal with fox and tbs is 8 years I think. The Rays got a deal worth $82 million/year for 15 years.

tv deals

There are opt outs, much like player contracts

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18 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

There are opt outs, much like player contracts

On which end, team or network? We know teams have opt-outs but it would be interesting if Fox and others can opt out of bad deals.

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47 minutes ago, kdog said:

On which end, team or network? We know teams have opt-outs but it would be interesting if Fox and others can opt out of bad deals.

Usually both. 

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Viewership is down 44% with only 60 games less and I bet many will miss baseball come November so enjoy it while you can! Go Tigers.

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1 hour ago, socaltiger said:

Viewership is down 44% with only 60 games less and I bet many will miss baseball come November so enjoy it while you can! Go Tigers.

That is very true. Been a tough season but I hate to see it end.

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It’s hard to believe that there are teams worse than our own in the major leagues and that two of them are in the Central.  I guess this is bad if you’re into delayed gratification and want the team to fail for the sake of better draft picks and a better team in the future.  But winning at all sure is nice. 

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