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How many other GMs were able to add and then flip guys like Martin and Fiers this past offseason?

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12 minutes ago, Shelton said:

How many other GMs were able to add and then flip guys like Martin and Fiers this past offseason?

I wasn’t particularly impressed with the Martin signing.  They did get him for cheap, but initially I didn’t expect much of anything out of him.  The trade for Castro has some seriously good potential for the Tigers.

The return for Fiers is yet to be determined.  But this was a worthwile investment when the deal was made.  There was a need, Fiers filled it well.  And now they flip him for prospects.  They could have also retained him through arbitration next season, so while it was only a year deal, there was the option for a second if things worked out that way.

So, around $6M to acquire Castro and a pair of yet to be determineds.  It’s a better investment than the deal that Ilitch/Dombrowski gave to retain Martinez for four more years.

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

How many other GMs were able to add and then flip guys like Martin and Fiers this past offseason?

and this is another kind of test of talent evaluation. The Tigers were right that Martin and Fiers had enough in the tank to parley into additional org talent. They missed on Liriano, Al missed on Pelfrey (which I'll include even though Pelfrey was not signed to be flipped) and they missed on Zimmermann - though you can't blame anyone too much for not predicting injury.

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Good headline in the Boston paper:

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Dave Dombrowski recommits to minor league development

“We went for it very strongly at that point in Detroit,” he said. “The difference for us here is, at that point we really put our financial resources at the big league level. We’re doing that here but we still have the ability to be aggressive in international market and aggressive in Latin America, doing things in analytics; we spent those dollars there, we were sacrificing those things in Detroit. That was the plan we had. Here we don’t have to do that. We feel like it’s a real different situation for us.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2018/08/dave_dombrowski_recommits_to_minor_league_development

 

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Bill James was once asked what was the biggest difference between working in Kansas City and Boston.  He said:"They have more Dunkin Donuts in Boston".  

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3 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

not sure you realize this but if your argument is that AA did what every other GM would have done, that is a defense of him, not a criticism

It is a defense in the sense that Al Avila is nothing special ..thus, absolutely no reason to have any sure-fire confidence in him until he proves that he is better than ''any other GM." 

Canderlario and Paredes are fine prospects ..especially Paredes.  However, I think nearly any other GM could have made a similar trade for JWilson and Alex Avila under similar circumstances.

So basically, ..as much as it might disturb some fans ..Al Avila remains just another GM as far as I am concerned.  Therefore, at this point in Al Avila's TigerGM career, I continue to have no confidence that he will accomplish what most fans desire, ..a World Championship.

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But you don’t need a special GM to build a contender. 

Regardless, I don’t think it’s so simple as saying any GM would have or could have made the same deals he has. Some GMs may be more hesitant to push the tank button, for example. 

Every org is different. Personally, I think Avila was correct in trying to win in 2016 and to a lesser extent 2017. There was a window there but it didn’t work out. There are probably a lot of GMs that would have held on to everyone last season, perhaps trying to convince the owner to keep spending money to chase a postseason berth and looking to post 2018 as the year to get out from under the luxury tax (when victor and kinsler would have come off the books).

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We all have opinions .. I understand and respect your opinion, and I hope you at least try to understand my opinion.

FWIW:  There has been absolutely nothing presented in this thread that has given me cause to change my mind.  Only Al Avila can do that by rebuilding the Tigers into a serious World Championship contender before Miggy retires.  Same goes for Chris Illitch.

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12 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

We all have opinions .. I understand and respect your opinion, and I hope you at least try to understand my opinion.

FWIW:  There has been absolutely nothing presented in this thread that has given me cause to change my mind.  Only Al Avila can do that by rebuilding the Tigers into a serious World Championship contender before Miggy retires.  Same goes for Chris Illitch.

If Avila turns what the Tigers have now around for a WS before Miggy's contract is up, I'd put him in the HOF of GMs. I think he needs at least two more drafts and those player would need at least 2-3 yrs so that is at least 5 yrs out under the best circumstance - much more likely 7 and Miggy is gone at the end of 5 with no options exercised?

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According to a Tigers spokesperson, Verlander reached out to general manager Al Avila and senior director of medical services Kevin Rand immediately afterwards, apologizing for the comments. The nature of the apology was centered around his use of the word “misdiagnose.”

Verlander was unable to be reached for comment.

Speaking about the injury — and a subsequent lat injury which sidelined him for much of the first half that season, Verlander said, “I knew something was wrong. They take me out and misdiagnose me. … Didn’t get an MRI. Because it was so mild.” 

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I don't know if its been mentioned, but Martin is on the DL with some unknown injury that he doesn't want discussed publicly. He is getting treatment at Cleveland Clinic. 

 

Let the speculation game begin!

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23 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

If Avila turns what the Tigers have now around for a WS before Miggy's contract is up, I'd put him in the HOF of GMs. I think he needs at least two more drafts and those player would need at least 2-3 yrs so that is at least 5 yrs out under the best circumstance - much more likely 7 and Miggy is gone at the end of 5 with no options exercised?

Your timeline assumes that they won’t supplement through free agency or trade from organization strengths, which they can do.  I don’t care how bad an org is—any team can turn around into a playoff team with 5 years.

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2 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Your timeline assumes that they won’t supplement through free agency or trade from organization strengths, which they can do.  I don’t care how bad an org is—any team can turn around into a playoff team with 5 years.

IDK, it seems to me that most teams that supposedly turn it around fast are taking credit for a rapid turn around of a bad team after new management arrives but in reality *after* they have already been stockpiling decent draft choices for a few years. If they wanted to run the payroll back up to 200 million maybe - but I just don't see that coming again until after they have a team that is making the playoffs.

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3 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Your timeline assumes that they won’t supplement through free agency or trade from organization strengths, which they can do.  I don’t care how bad an org is—any team can turn around into a playoff team with 5 years.

I need this to happen so Biggs has to skip lunch for a day.

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 12:24 PM, Tigrrfan said:

 

So basically, ..as much as it might disturb some fans ..Al Avila remains just another GM as far as I am concerned.  Therefore, at this point in Al Avila's TigerGM career, I continue to have no confidence that he will accomplish what most fans desire, ..a World Championship.

Actually, the fact that you consider Al Avila as just another GM doesn't disturb me at all.

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we've all been saying the tigers should be signing guys like fiers and martin and then flipping them for prospects.  i cant see why anyone is criticizing avila for doing that.  thats what he's supposed to do.

criticize him for getting nothing for jd martinez or less for verlander than he should have.  but the fiers and martin trades were a job well done.

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If in two years:  Perez is in the rotation, Rogers is the starting catcher not embarrassing himself with the bat and Cameron is starting in CF with an .800ish OPS can the trade be called adequate?

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42 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

If in two years:  Perez is in the rotation, Rogers is the starting catcher not embarrassing himself with the bat and Cameron is starting in CF with an .800ish OPS can the trade be called adequate?

No.  They won't be in the HoF yet.

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18 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Avila drafted Funkhauser.

'nuff said.

He also picked up Adduci and drafted #Deathrage.  

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On 8/10/2018 at 7:17 PM, Gehringer_2 said:

If Avila turns what the Tigers have now around for a WS before Miggy's contract is up, I'd put him in the HOF of GMs. I think he needs at least two more drafts and those player would need at least 2-3 yrs so that is at least 5 yrs out under the best circumstance - much more likely 7 and Miggy is gone at the end of 5 with no options exercised?

I don't disagree with this...frankly anything that seeks fulfillment beyond a 2-3 year window is a dream in my opinion, not a realistic plan.

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1 hour ago, sabretooth said:

frankly anything that seeks fulfillment beyond a 2-3 year window is a dream in my opinion, not a realistic plan.

Sure, you post this here, and readers at home are probably nodding in agreement.

But you say that as part of a best man's speech at a friend's wedding and you'll probably be hissed at. Some people can't handle the truth.

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11 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Sure, you post this here, and readers at home are probably nodding in agreement.

But you say that as part of a best man's speech at a friend's wedding and you'll probably be hissed at. Some people can't handle the truth.

Yeah, Ive been there.....the human part of me feels bad for the bride and groom, I mean it is their special day and everything, but the sabre side of me knows that their parents needed to hear that, the people that hadn't yet bought presents needed to hear that...and the bride and groom need to be prepared for disappointment.....this is what I do.

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