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10 minutes ago, bobrob2004 said:

What was the point in getting Gardenhire then if this team isn't a playoff team? 

Because they want to be a playoff team before he leaves?

There is nothing inconsistent about the Tigers doing the best they can to win as soon as they can and keeping a player in the minors if they think that makes him a better player in the end. Anyone can disagree with whether that is the best approach on the particular player, but you can't get from there to an argument that Tigers aren't serious about trying to become better.

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Thank you.  Nobody is suggesting it is OK to keep Victor because they will lose anyway.

What is being suggested is Stewart is being kept in the minors to work on his defense and other options are not clearly enough better or young enough to merit the change.

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17 minutes ago, pyrotigers said:

I don't really want to live in a world where because a team obviously isn't good, there's literally no reason to ever make roster changes. 

 

Yea, I dont get this line of thinking either.  Besides, isnt that how you go from a bad team to a good team? You replace the guys that suck(Jones, Vmart, Farmer, Verghagen etc) with guys that are potentially better and in no way could be any worse.

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There are multiple posts in thread alone mentioning it...

 

And Hicks is worse than Vmart? We already know that is not true...Stewart is going to put up .220/.267/.378 like Jones? doubtful..

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7 minutes ago, MDMAzing said:

There are multiple posts in thread alone mentioning it...

 

And Hicks is worse than Vmart? We already know that is not true...Stewart is going to put up .220/.267/.378 like Jones? doubtful..

The question isn't if Stewart will put up better numbers than Jones, it is what is best for Stewart's development.  They think he's better working on defense and consistently hitting at Toledo before he comes up.  That can be argued, though I would currently agree with them seeing the slump he has been in the last few weeks.  Player development is much more important right now than putting the best team on the field in 2018.  Some may be best suited to get more of that development in the majors than others.  

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11 minutes ago, MDMAzing said:

There are multiple posts in thread alone mentioning it...

 

And Hicks is worse than Vmart? We already know that is not true...Stewart is going to put up .220/.267/.378 like Jones? doubtful..

We don't know Hicks will be better than Martinez over a full season.  I think he would be at this point, but we don't know that.  And Stewart could very well be as bad as Jones is in his first shot in the majors especially when fielding is factored in.     

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whatever.  Hicks had to cover 1B and may need to continue to cover 1B as Cabrera recovers.  Martinez is probably gone in 4 weeks or something.

Jones is better defensively than Stewart.  Jones is tied to Martin anyway.

This has been laid out multiple times, but wankers gonna wanker.

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I, for one, look forward to the *****ing about Stewart if and when he comes up and 6 weeks in is hitting .250 with inconsistent D and power.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I, for one, look forward to the *****ing about Stewart if and when he comes up and 6 weeks in is hitting .250 with inconsistent D and power.

As long as its fun to watch.

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Just now, Shelton said:

This team is better than you think. 

Yes, but still not good.

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Just now, Casimir said:

Yes, but still not good.

So, you think they are not good. That means they are better than not good, by your own admission. 

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1 minute ago, Shelton said:

So, you think they are not good. That means they are better than not good, by your own admission. 

I thought they were going to suck.  But they've been just below average.  Martin, Fiers, Liriano, and Boyd have been well better than expected.

So, yeah, better than I thought, but still not good.  Both can be correct, right?

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13 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

whatever.  Hicks had to cover 1B and may need to continue to cover 1B as Cabrera recovers.  Martinez is probably gone in 4 weeks or something.

Jones is better defensively than Stewart.  Jones is tied to Martin anyway.

This has been laid out multiple times, but wankers gonna wanker.

Whats also been laid out multiple times is that jones is the starting LEFT FIELDER.  

When it comes to a list of priorities for any given team, LF D is near the bottom.    That said, your starting LF needs to hit.  It is a premium hitting position.  This is baseball 101.  Jones doesnt hit, so he is basically a useless LF.

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29 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

We don't know Hicks will be better than Martinez over a full season.

Yea...We do.  It wouldnt be that difficult to out preform Vmart's corpse.

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2 minutes ago, MDMAzing said:

Yea...We do.  It wouldnt be that difficult to out preform Vmart's corpse.

"wouldn't be that difficult".  So, we agree.  

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FWIW, there have now been two different teams that have released high salaried guys now this year, already.  The Red Sox released Hanley Ramirez back in May, and the Mets released Adrian Gonzalez today.  Both either had better or similiar numbers to Victor's.  It can be done, other teams are doing it.  

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12 minutes ago, MDMAzing said:

Whats also been laid out multiple times is that jones is the starting LEFT FIELDER.  

When it comes to a list of priorities for any given team, LF D is near the bottom.    That said, your starting LF needs to hit.  It is a premium hitting position.  This is baseball 101.  Jones doesnt hit, so he is basically a useless LF.

Yes he is a useless LF.  I am not trying to somehow argue he is a useful LF.

He will be the CF if and when Martin is traded, sent down if Martin isn't traded.

Either way Stewart will come up in that rough timeframe unless he stops hitting.

They are trying to manage the roster in the context of continuing Stewart's development defensively, because I'm guessing Cabrera is going to become a DH, blocking that option for Christin

 

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3 minutes ago, kj2018 said:

FWIW, there have now been two different teams that have released high salaried guys now this year, already.  The Red Sox released Hanley Ramirez back in May, and the Mets released Adrian Gonzalez today.  Both either had better or similiar numbers to Victor's.  It can be done, other teams are doing it.  

The Tigers have done it in their history as well.

They haven't done it because they do not perceive a benefit in releasing Martinez now.

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4 minutes ago, kj2018 said:

FWIW, there have now been two different teams that have released high salaried guys now this year, already.  The Red Sox released Hanley Ramirez back in May, and the Mets released Adrian Gonzalez today.  Both either had better or similiar numbers to Victor's.  It can be done, other teams are doing it.  

The Mets signed Gonzalez this offseason for basically nothing. The Red Sox are in a pennant race. Not the same as where a team that has had the player for seven years, he is owed a large sum of money, and the team’s record is irrelevant. To give John Hicks more at bats? Meh. 

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3 minutes ago, Shelton said:

The Mets signed Gonzalez this offseason for basically nothing. The Red Sox are in a pennant race. Not the same as where a team that has had the player for seven years, he is owed a large sum of money, and the team’s record is irrelevant. To give John Hicks more at bats? Meh. 

And if they didn't release Ramirez, and he played roughly 3/4 of the remainder of the season, he would be under contract for over $20 mil in 2019.   Take away that part of the equation, and I don't think Ramirez is released.

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The other thing is Cabrera general inability to stay on the field makes replacing Martinez with Hicks a non starter right now.  Unless you bring up Adduci or something.

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