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11 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Said this years ago but Porcello started out so early in his career and racked up the W's at a young age that it's not inconceivable he enters HOF discussion if he stays healthy and pitches into his late 30's.... that is if the voters still value pitching Wins at that point which they may not....

 

the question for RP is whether the WHIP from 2016, which is what he is doing again right now, becomes his norm, or if he is just having small sample size luck so far in 2018, and 2016 remains the outlier. Another 6-7 years with a WHIP around 1 will result in some pretty good numbers other than just wins.

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Rick Porcello is having a great start this year.  But he will cool off.  Nobody maintains a 1.70 FIP / 320 ERA+ for an entire season.

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7 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

Rick Porcello is having a great start this year.  But he will cool off.  Nobody maintains a 1.70 FIP / 320 ERA+ for an entire season.

he cannot, but he has proved he is capable of pitching well enough over a whole season to get noticed.  

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5 hours ago, chasfh said:

Sure, we all miss Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer, but maybe it's time to admit that we miss Rick Porcello, too.

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-best-rick-porcello-has-ever-been/

 

Rick Porcello turned into Michael Fulmer so it seems to have worked out fine.

4 hours ago, Oblong said:

Said this years ago but Porcello started out so early in his career and racked up the W's at a young age that it's not inconceivable he enters HOF discussion if he stays healthy and pitches into his late 30's.... that is if the voters still value pitching Wins at that point which they may not....

 

Porcello has a career ERA of 4.21. I cannot see a starting pitcher with an ERA above 4 making the hall of fame. Porcello also only has 122 wins. Outside of his 2016 season, his career high was 15 so it wasn't like he racking up a lot of wins. 

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2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Rick Porcello turned into Michael Fulmer so it seems to have worked out fine.

Porcello has a career ERA of 4.21. I cannot see a starting pitcher with an ERA above 4 making the hall of fame. Porcello also only has 122 wins. Outside of his 2016 season, his career high was 15 so it wasn't like he racking up a lot of wins. 

Age 29.

11 more years at 11 wins a year and he's at 243.    A few extra here and there from playing in Boston and he's over 250 wins.   IF he could average 15 he starts flirting with 300 wins.   

I still don't see him getting in though.

 

 

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1 minute ago, LooseGoose said:

Age 29.

11 more years at 11 wins a year and he's at 243.    A few extra here and there from playing in Boston and he's over 250 wins.   IF he could average 15 he starts flirting with 300 wins.   

I still don't see him getting in though.

 

 

I think if he's going to get in based on wins, he would need to hit 300. Jack Morris barely made it with 250 wins and a 3.90 ERA and his 3.90 is the highest among hall of fame pitchers. 

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1 hour ago, LooseGoose said:

Age 29.

11 more years at 11 wins a year and he's at 243.    A few extra here and there from playing in Boston and he's over 250 wins.   IF he could average 15 he starts flirting with 300 wins.   

I still don't see him getting in though.

 

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Rick Porcello turned into Michael Fulmer so it seems to have worked out fine.

Porcello has a career ERA of 4.21. I cannot see a starting pitcher with an ERA above 4 making the hall of fame. Porcello also only has 122 wins. Outside of his 2016 season, his career high was 15 so it wasn't like he racking up a lot of wins. 

Just for grins I will note that Nolan Ryan completed his age 29 season with 122 wins. The question is not whether RP *has* been good enough to someday be considered a great pitcher - he has not (I'll leave HOF out of it). It is whether, based on 2016 and his start this season, he is showing signs that he might be *getting* good enough. Of course it's too early to take much from this season other than the discussion starter. If at the end of this season he has two of his last three seasons with really low walks and hits, it starts becoming a better discussion. If he has become more consistent then you have to wait and see how many years he can keep it up. It might be a long time - he has an easy delivery and he doesn't seem to have injury problems.

and just by the numbers, no-one will ever need 300 wins to get the HOF again unless the game goes back to 4 man rotations and 50% complete games.  In a 33 start world 7ip start world, 225 to 250 is equivalent to 300 for the old timers.

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To be clear I'm not saying he'd get in... I said he has a chance to enter into the discussions based on Wins.... but voters by the time he's eligible may not value them like the voters do today.

His advantage is being a decent pitcher for good teams who started out at a pretty young age.  I get that.  

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In my opinion:

As of today .. Rick Porcello is not a Hall-of-Fame caliber pitcher.  Not even close.

 

So the question in my mind at this point in time is whether Rick Porcello will improve enough throughout the next 10 years to even be considered.

250 career wins might get it .. but not if it also includes 200 losses ..which would be his current pace if he were to win 250.

And definitely not with a 1.3+ WHIP and 4+ ERA.

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1 hour ago, Tigrrfan said:

In my opinion:

As of today .. Rick Porcello is not a Hall-of-Fame caliber pitcher.  Not even close.

 

So the question in my mind at this point in time is whether Rick Porcello will improve enough throughout the next 10 years to even be considered.

250 career wins might get it .. but not if it also includes 200 losses ..which would be his current pace if he were to win 250.

And definitely not with a 1.3+ WHIP and 4+ ERA.

I don't think 250 even gets close unless Tommy John and Jim Kaat are in by then.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Porcello gets in due to East coast bias.

Discuss.

Mike Mussina and Curt Schilling aren't in yet.  

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2 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Before this goes further, I was being facetious WRT east coast bias.  It was an inside joke.

So you're claiming you remained equanimous?

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Bigglesworth is equanimous until he sees McCann at the plate.  

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2 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Before this goes further, I was being facetious WRT east coast bias.  It was an inside joke.

Then why say "Discuss"?

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Porcello could win 400 games, 12 WS titles and a million mvps and I would still hate him. I was present for the 10-0 Angels disaster in Anaheim and he will never be forgiven. Ever. 

If he comes back to the Tigers and wins game 7 of the W.S. throwing a perfect game I will consider acknowledging his existence. 

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Have any of you guys been to the Detroit Institute of Art to check out the baseball card collection? Saw a promo vid on the MLB app and it looks like it would be pretty awesome! 

The video didn’t say how long the exhibit would run.

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1 hour ago, thefunk said:

Porcello could win 400 games, 12 WS titles and a million mvps and I would still hate him. I was present for the 10-0 Angels disaster in Anaheim and he will never be forgiven. Ever. 

If he comes back to the Tigers and wins game 7 of the W.S. throwing a perfect game I will consider acknowledging his existence. 

Some say the Angels are still batting that inning. 

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1 hour ago, 1776 said:

Have any of you guys been to the Detroit Institute of Art to check out the baseball card collection? Saw a promo vid on the MLB app and it looks like it would be pretty awesome! 

The video didn’t say how long the exhibit would run.

They have a porno vid?  Oh OK I just read it again.

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23 hours ago, Tigrrfan said:

Rick Porcello is having a great start this year.  But he will cool off.  Nobody maintains a 1.70 FIP / 320 ERA+ for an entire season.

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At what point can we consider the millions spent on Zimmermann a sunken cost and move on? 

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