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On 9/12/2020 at 11:27 AM, tiger337 said:

I just learned today that Zack Wheat had a brother Mack who was his teammate for five years in Brooklyn.  

He had a lot of brothers: Zack Rice, Zack Oats, Zack Rye, Zach Barley . . . 

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1 hour ago, six-hopper said:

He had a lot of brothers: Zack Rice, Zack Oats, Zack Rye, Zach Barley . . . 

Hey Six.

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GAME 47

Walks - 1,157 (70) - Passed LUIS GONZALEZ at 1155 and MAX BISHOP at 1,156.

Times on Base - 4,077 (42) - Passed <CHARLIE GEHRINGER> at 4,075.

Max Bishop is second to Ted Williams on the MLB career list for walk percentage.  He and Williams are the only two players with a percentage equal to or greater than 20%.  He was an integral part of the A's teams that won pennants from 1929 through 1931.  He and Mickey Cochrane developed a friendship on those teams, which resulted in Cochrane hiring Bishop as a scout for the Tigers in 1937.

 

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Max Bishop was 5-8 165 lbs and walked over 100 times eight years in a row.  You don't get any grittier than that.  

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17 hours ago, ktpinnacle said:

GAME 47

Walks - 1,157 (70) - Passed LUIS GONZALEZ at 1155 and MAX BISHOP at 1,156.

Times on Base - 4,077 (42) - Passed <CHARLIE GEHRINGER> at 4,075.

Max Bishop is second to Ted Williams on the MLB career list for walk percentage.  He and Williams are the only two players with a percentage equal to or greater than 20%.  He was an integral part of the A's teams that won pennants from 1929 through 1931.  He and Mickey Cochrane developed a friendship on those teams, which resulted in Cochrane hiring Bishop as a scout for the Tigers in 1937.

 

Barry Bonds is above 20 percent, too.  By the  commonly used formula  Walks/(At-Bats + Walks), he is at 20.62 percent.

If you go by Walks/Plate Appearances, he's still at 20.29 percent.

Bishop's rates by those two formulas are 20.46 and 19.96 percent, respectively.

Strangely, Walk Like a Sabermetrician doesn't even list Bishop among the career leaders.  Maybe they have a really high cutoff for minimum Plate Appearances or something, but even though Bishop didn't have a huge career, 4494 At-Bats and 5793 Plate Appearances isn't exactly a cup of coffee.

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14 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

Barry Bonds is above 20 percent, too.  By the  commonly used formula  Walks/(At-Bats + Walks), he is at 20.62 percent.

If you go by Walks/Plate Appearances, he's still at 20.29 percent.

Helps when during your mid/late 30s you have a 4-yr stretch with 755 total BBs, and a .609 obp at age 39. 

.609. Go 3-5 and have your obp go down 

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21 hours ago, six-hopper said:

Barry Bonds is above 20 percent, too.  By the  commonly used formula  Walks/(At-Bats + Walks), he is at 20.62 percent.

If you go by Walks/Plate Appearances, he's still at 20.29 percent.

Bishop's rates by those two formulas are 20.46 and 19.96 percent, respectively.

Strangely, Walk Like a Sabermetrician doesn't even list Bishop among the career leaders.  Maybe they have a really high cutoff for minimum Plate Appearances or something, but even though Bishop didn't have a huge career, 4494 At-Bats and 5793 Plate Appearances isn't exactly a cup of coffee.

Wow, a Walk Like a Sabermetrician reader.  You maybe be redeemable after all.  

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Wow, a Walk Like a Sabermetrician reader.  You maybe be redeemable after all.  

Maybe for a dime, like an empty beer can.

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17 minutes ago, ktpinnacle said:

GAME 52

Total Bases - 4,924 (23) - Passed <Derek Jeter> at 4,921.

that's a good one.

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If you could have only one stat and know nothing else about a hitter, what stat would it be.  Total Bases would be a strong candidate.  

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15 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

If you could have only one stat and know nothing else about a hitter, what stat would it be.  Total Bases would be a strong candidate.  

It really is.  It's batting average, extra base power, and durability.

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I agree, which is why I still get confused when Hammerin' Hank doesn't get more love in the goat conversation. Sustained excellence is part of it for me. Miggy would need another 1933 total bases to pass him.

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On 9/20/2020 at 5:49 PM, leflore said:

I agree, which is why I still get confused when Hammerin' Hank doesn't get more love in the goat conversation. Sustained excellence is part of it for me. Miggy would need another 1933 total bases to pass him.

And it's tough to get there converting yourself into a singles hitter.

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GAME 53

Singles - 1,777 (95) - Passed Willie Randolph at 1,775.

Runs Created - 1,893 (29) - Passed <Honus Wagner> at 1,888.

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On 9/20/2020 at 6:39 PM, tiger337 said:

If you could have only one stat and know nothing else about a hitter, what stat would it be.  Total Bases would be a strong candidate.  

RBI. Duh.

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1 hour ago, Biff Mayhem said:

RBI. Duh.

Well exactly.  It's like pitching wins.  If you don't understand the significance, I don't know why I am even talking to you.

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9 hours ago, ktpinnacle said:

GAME 53

Singles - 1,777 (95) - Passed Willie Randolph at 1,775.

Runs Created - 1,893 (29) - Passed <Honus Wagner> at 1,888.

surprised to see Willie Randolph on a list like this.  without looking, I'm assuming he played between 15-20 seasons and didn't have many extra base hits.  

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12 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

surprised to see Willie Randolph on a list like this.  without looking, I'm assuming he played between 15-20 seasons and didn't have many extra base hits.  

I believe he played 18.  The singles list is filled with players "with a particular set of skills."  Still quality players with long careers that filled valuable spots, especially if they played decent defense prior to Ruth and the advent of the long ball.

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