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was the cabrera trade the greatest trade in detroit tigers history?

and how many of those greatest trades were made by dombrowski?  guillen trade? scherzer trade?

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Lajoie got us Willie Hernandez - Cy you - MVP - and World Championship for one Glen Wilson

 

Joe Coleman, Eddie Brinkman and Aurelio Rodrigues for a burnt out Denny McClain got us the excitement of 1972 that rivaled the championship years for me.

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9 minutes ago, Buddha said:

was the cabrera trade the greatest trade in detroit tigers history?

 

It could be.  Norm Cash for Steve Demeter is up there too.  Cabrera was better than Cash, but Andrew Miller has been pretty good and Demeter wasn't.  

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I would put Cabrera's trade above any other because you got a first ballot HOFer as he entered his prime for basically nothing.  Yes Miller developed into a decent guy but that was 5 years and 2 teams and a role change later.... 

Deals for guys like Hernandez and Fister and Guillen and others were great too but this is a level above all of those.  They didn't have the staying power.  Willie was washed out by '87.  Guillen was beat up and run down.. really only got 3 full seasons out of him anyway.

Miguel Cabrera is the greatest offensive player for the Tigers that anyone alive has ever seen.

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2 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Worst trade ever?  Billy Pierce for Aaron Robinson?  

Not a fan of LeFlore for Schatzeder or Jason  Thompson for Al Cowens.  Now, Bob Sykes for Aurelio Lopez was nice.

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10 hours ago, ktpinnacle said:

GAME 33

Grounded Into Double Plays - 320 (6) - Passed <Dave Winfield> at 319.

can we only list the good stuff?

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On 8/30/2020 at 1:26 AM, ktpinnacle said:

If Miggy can reach 500 HRs (18 to go), 1100 XBHs (24 to go) and 1,800 RBIs (87 to go) while maintaining a .310+ average, he'll join Ruth, Williams and Ramirez as the only players to do it.

Other than .310 BA .. seems impossible at this point in time that Miggy would miss those other milestones.

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8 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

can we only list the good stuff?

That's not part of the deal.  But if I remember correctly, 9 of the top 10 in that list are in the HOF, so it goes with the territory.

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1 hour ago, Tigrrfan said:

Other than .310 BA .. seems impossible at this point in time that Miggy would miss those other milestones.

I agree, if can stay healthy.  I sometimes wonder that the number of singles we've seen the last few years isn't Miggy just trying to get on, less confident to square one up with power.  Trying to maintain that average and help the club with whatever he had in the tank.  Though the last few weeks have seen more gaps and long balls.  Been fun.

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GAME 34

Games Played - 2,434 (78) - Passed <Roberto Clemente> at 2,433.

At Bats - 9,074 (70) - Passed <Roberto Alomar> at 9,073.

Runs Scored - 1,444 (83) - Passed Steve Finley at 1,443.

Hits - 2,845 (49) - Passed <Ivan Rodriguez> at 2,844.

Extra Base Hits - 1,079 (24) - Passed Carlos Beltran and <Cal Ripkin Jr.> at 1,078.

 

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On 8/30/2020 at 5:59 PM, socaltiger said:

Lajoie got us Willie Hernandez - Cy you - MVP - and World Championship for one Glen Wilson

 

Joe Coleman, Eddie Brinkman and Aurelio Rodrigues for a burnt out Denny McClain got us the excitement of 1972 that rivaled the championship years for me.

For Glen Wilson and John Wockenfuss? That was one of the best trades. As was the McClain trade. The Cabrera trade is on the list. As is the trade for Norm Cash. And the Mickey Cochrane trade. List them in any order you want.

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1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

For Glen Wilson and John Wockenfuss? That was one of the best trades. 

Don't forget we got Bergman too.  For some reason, I still vividly remember his at bat where he fouled off 30 pitches (ok, the total at bat was 13 pitches but it did last 7 minutes).  It's crazy what you remember from age 10 when you are up later than you are supposed to be..

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59 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

Don't forget we got Bergman too.  For some reason, I still vividly remember his at bat where he fouled off 30 pitches (ok, the total at bat was 13 pitches but it did last 7 minutes).  It's crazy what you remember from age 10 when you are up later than you are supposed to be..

that's a famous AB, and you can find it on YouTube.  I think I saw it live, too, but don't really know.  It's like the 1,000,000 people who claim to have been at the last game in Tiger Stadium.

 

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1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

that's a famous AB, and you can find it on YouTube.  I think I saw it live, too, but don't really know.  It's like the 1,000,000 people who claim to have been at the last game in Tiger Stadium.

 

I remember it pretty vividly.  I slept in the spare bedroom that had a TV that night so I could watch the game - It was on ABC that night I believe (we could only get Channel 4 to come in clear sometimes if the antenna rotor was turned just right and the weather was just right from our home 100 miles from Detroit.

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4 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

that's a famous AB, and you can find it on YouTube.  I think I saw it live, too, but don't really know.  It's like the 1,000,000 people who claim to have been at the last game in Tiger Stadium.

 

They show that video on a 1984 highlight show recap on FSD. I remember watching it happen live, it was an incredible at bat.

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On 8/30/2020 at 6:00 PM, tiger337 said:

It could be.  Norm Cash for Steve Demeter is up there too.  Cabrera was better than Cash, but Andrew Miller has been pretty good and Demeter wasn't.  

Cash is one of the most underrated or at least under-recognized players of all time.  His career was considerably smaller than Al Kaline's, though still substantial, and his career OPS+ of 139 is five points higher than Kaline's.  That OPS+ has him in a tie for 81st all-time, and there are a whole lot of  heralded players  below him.

Pus I've read in a number of sources that he was regarded as a fine defensive first baseman as well.

He is also, of course, the answer to a pretty good trivia question:  the only player in Major League history to have a full-season batting average of .350 or better -- his famous .361 in 1961 -- and no other season in which he batted .300. 

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On 8/30/2020 at 7:30 PM, Oblong said:

I would put Cabrera's trade above any other because you got a first ballot HOFer as he entered his prime for basically nothing.  Yes Miller developed into a decent guy but that was 5 years and 2 teams and a role change later.... 

Deals for guys like Hernandez and Fister and Guillen and others were great too but this is a level above all of those.  They didn't have the staying power.  Willie was washed out by '87.  Guillen was beat up and run down.. really only got 3 full seasons out of him anyway.

Miguel Cabrera is the greatest offensive player for the Tigers that anyone alive has ever seen.

Hank Greenberg was better, in my humble opinion, and his last season with the Tigers was 1946, so there are 80-someting-and-older people still around who saw him play.   But Cabrera is probably a solid Number Two.

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