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14 hours ago, ktpinnacle said:

Martinez  _  VICTOR

Philips  _  TONY

Staub  _  RUSTY

Cash  _  NORM

Heath  _  MIKE

Cabrera  _  MIGUEL

Ordonez  _  MAGGLIO

Whitaker  _  LOU

Rodriguez  _  IVAN

Kinsler  _  IAN

Bergman  _  DAVE

Lemon  _  CHET

Bruton  _  BILL

Trammell  _  ALAN

Kaline  _  AL

 

Very enlightening.  Thanks for the effort.

You're welcome. 

Did you look them up ..or did you notice the 'logical order in the names' was in the reverse alphabetical order of their first names? 

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I first decided to go with the stats, trying to jog my memory on when they played for us during their careers and how effective they were, looking at specific skills that might have been reflected in the stats (obviously Victor wasn't stealing bases and Mike Heath wasn't a power hitter).  

I wasn't very satisfied, and then looked for your clue, which was fairly apparent.  My initial and final lists have a few similarities - but I'd be lying if I said my memory was any good.  

 

A really fun fan exercise.  Thanks again.

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On 9/17/2019 at 1:21 PM, Tigrrfan said:

The names of the 15 Detroit Tiger players (not in any specific order) include Miguel Cabrera, Norm Cash, Lou Whitaker, Magglio Ordonez, Al Kaline, Ivan Rodriguez, Ian Kinsler, Victor Martinez, Tony Phillips, Dave Bergman, Rusty Staub, Chet Lemon, Mike Heath, Alan Trammell, Bill Bruton.

Oh yeah .. .. .. I have deleted the names of 10 of the 15 players from the stat list. 

Without looking it up .. Can you guess the unnamed players in the list below?  There is a logical order in the names of those listed that I will not divulge (see if you can figure it out.)  The only other hint I will provide is that the 3 stat lines below in bold are in the Hall of Fame.   If it helps, you may copy the list and paste it into an Excel spreadsheet ..although may need to utilize the 'paste special' feature - 'text' option.

First Last G AB R H  2B 3B HR RBI SB    BA  OBP  SLG  OPS wOBA wRC+   WAR
Victor Martinez 430 1606 194 478   89   0 57 250   3 0.298 0.360 0.460 0.819 0.350  123     3.3
Tony Phillips 424 1610 318 467   78   6 36 182 41 0.290 0.413 0.413 0.826 0.377  129   14.1
Rusty  Staub 388 1511 191 406   76   5 55 262   5 0.269 0.340 0.435 0.775 0.344  110     3.7
Norm Cash 534 1716 261 467   58 10 94 281   4 0.272 0.363 0.482 0.845 0.379  138   12.9
Mike Heath 330   985 108 258   41   6 22 99 15 0.262 0.309 0.383 0.692 0.312    95     4.0
Miguel Cabrera 454 1668 198 480   85   1 67 245   0 0.288 0.364 0.460 0.824 0.349  119     5.2
Magglio Ordonez 518 1944 299 636 127   5 70 351   9 0.327 0.394 0.506 0.900 0.391  139   13.0
Lou Whitaker 519 1778 318 480 106   5 69 276 21 0.270 0.380 0.452 0.832 0.372  130   17.5
Ivan Rodriguez 476 1855 228 533 108 15 43 214 23 0.287 0.312 0.431 0.743 0.320    91     8.8
Ian Kinsler 446 1793 301 493   89 14 61 208 38 0.275 0.335 0.442 0.777 0.335  109   11.9
Dave Bergman 409   976 114 265   40   5 19 103   1 0.272 0.358 0.381 0.739 0.334  109     2.4
Chet Lemon 375 1248 151 316   64 10 29 143   5 0.253 0.342 0.390 0.732 0.331  108     3.6
Bill Bruton 307 1157 189 309   42 10 33 137 36 0.267 0.336 0.406 0.743 0.334    98     5.1
Alan Trammell 318 1170 178 331   69   5 30 154 28 0.283 0.345 0.427 0.772 0.344  108     6.8
Al Kaline 497 1655 256 467   74   7 62 247 13 0.282 0.382 0.448 0.829 0.372  133     12.0

ktpinnacle correctly matched the names with the stat lines.

Again, includes only Detroit Tigers during their own ages 33 through 36 ..and only since 1946.

Interesting about Miggy .. he has the 7th most Games and AB's ..5th most HR's ..but only 9th in Runs & 8th in RBI's ..and maybe more importantly ..only 8th in WAR.  Quite naturally, he is last in Stolen Bases with exactly 0.

Also interesting that Mike Heath made this list.  A bit more understandable when considering it is only for players who played for the Detroit Tigers during their own ages 33 through 36. 

Clearly Magglio Ordonez is best in many categories.  1st in Hits, Doubles, RBI's, Batting Average, Slugging, OPS, wOBA, and wRC+.  Looking back though, I recall during his last couple years there was quite a bit of negativity about him.

All in all ...Still a pretty impressive list of Detroit Tigers there!

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2 hours ago, Tigrrfan said:

 

Clearly Magglio Ordonez is best in many categories.  1st in Hits, Doubles, RBI's, Batting Average, Slugging, OPS, wOBA, and wRC+.  Looking back though, I recall during his last couple years there was quite a bit of negativity about him.

Ordonez' stats are likely inflated due to his fluke age 33 season, when he batted .363 and finished 2nd in MVP voting. 

If I recall correctly, most of the criticism in his later years were related to his lack of homers, giving him the nickname Singlio.  His overall numbers weren't bad, but the criticism was most likely due to not living up to unrealistic expectations of his near MVP season.

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1 hour ago, bobrob2004 said:

Ordonez' stats are likely inflated due to his fluke age 33 season, when he batted .363 and finished 2nd in MVP voting. 

If I recall correctly, most of the criticism in his later years were related to his lack of homers, giving him the nickname Singlio.  His overall numbers weren't bad, but the criticism was most likely due to not living up to unrealistic expectations of his near MVP season.

But was it fair to criticize Magglio for his decrease in Home Run power? 

Mags hit 'only' 28 HR's in his MVP-type season at age 33 ..and followed that up with 21 HR's at age 34 ..and then basically played hurt until retiring at age 37.

Seems to me it wasn't merely his drop in HR's that ruffled the ire of fans ..more like his overall huge decline in Extra Base Hits.  For example, at age 33 he had 82 XBH ..age 34 dropped to 57 XBH ..then age 35 had only 35 XBH in 131 games.

He rebounded nicely at age 36 with 30 XBH while appearing in just 84 games ..with a & OPS%  of .852 and SLG% of .474.

He had a career SLG% of  .502

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Game 158 

Hits - 2,822 (51) - Passed <George Sisler> at 2,821.

Singles - 1,744 (103) - Passed <Hugh Duffy> at 1,743.

Plate Appearances - 10,230 (73) - Passed Graig Nettles at 10,228.

Strikeouts - 1,761 (25) - Passed Bobby Bonds at 1,757.

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11 minutes ago, ktpinnacle said:

Game 158 

Hits - 2,813 (51) - Passed <George Sisler> at 2,821.

Singles - 1,744 (103) - Passed <Hugh Duffy> at 1,743.

Plate Appearances - 10,230 (73) - Passed Graig Nettles at 10,228.

Strikeouts - 1,761 (25) - Passed Bobby Bonds at 1,757.

Edit required.  😉

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4 hours ago, ktpinnacle said:

I'm slackin'.

I mostly like to let you know your hard work isn't in vain - you have readers.

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1 minute ago, LooseGoose said:

I mostly like to let you know your hard work isn't in vain - you have readers.

Roger.  Hopefully Miggy gives me more work to do next year.

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GAME 159

Plate Appearances - 10,234 (72) - Passed <Tony Gwynn> at 10,232.

Total Bases - 4,853 (27) - Passed <MR. KALINE> at 4,852.

Home Runs - 476 (31) - Passed <Stan Musial> and <Willie Stargell> at 475.

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25 minutes ago, leflore said:

I'm a huge fan of all 4 of those guys. Love looking at Stan's stats

He was high-quality until the very end and was vying for MVP every year until he hit Miggy's age.  I wonder at his ability to stay healthy enough to put up those great numbers.  I think St. Louis handled him well into his late 30's and 40's with reduced work loads.  And a quality teammate and city rep, just like Mr. Kaline.

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GAME 161 - End of Season

Total Bases - 4,857 (26) - Passed <Paul Molitor> at 4,854.

Times on Base - 4,013 (47) - Passed Manny Ramirez at 4,012.

 

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Thanks for checking in.  Still going to post a year-end summary.

Miggy had better enjoy those band boxes next year when he can.

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