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9 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I have Comcast. I believe att also has the 1 TB cap. I haven’t gone over the cap once. I have close a couple times, and it was because the nanny would put it on during the day and let it run all day. It’s not too difficult to get things set up to make sure you don’t get close. For one thing, I got rid of 4K on Netflix. I also turned off the auto play after an episode stops. You find yourself not just turning on the tv as background. 

If Netflix uses 3gb per hour, that’s 333 hours per month of HD video streaming, or 11 hours per day, every day. 

But 4k is the future isn't it?

I had an older plan on Comcast before I moved - it wasn't actually hard capped but I can remember once they sent me e-mail asking me to check if something was running by accident when my usage was up. They also completely throttled any kind of uploading even with no actual cap.

part of the into plan with ATT was no cap. One of the reasons I sprang for it. The lack of upload throttling now allows me to do practical backups to the cloud (>50gb) That was never even remotely possible with CC.

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

But 4k is the future isn't it?

I had an older plan on Comcast before I moved - it wasn't actually hard capped but I can remember once they sent me e-mail asking me to check if something was running by accident when my usage was up. They also completely throttled any kind of uploading even with no actual cap.

part of the into plan with ATT was no cap. One of the reasons I sprang for it. The lack of upload throttling now allows me to do practical backups to the cloud. That was never even remotely possible with CC.

Most people don’t upload, although you have illustrated how a competitor can make themselves more attractive by simply flipping a switch and allowing something minor. 

As for 4K, is it the future? Maybe. If you really must live the life of streaming everything in 4K all the time, then paying the extra 30 bucks a month for a non capped plan is always available. 

Very few people have the setup to take advantage of 4K. And for those that do, just pay the extra 30 bucks. You can probably afford it. 

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Comcast wasn’t capped around these parts until about a year ago I think. 

If i remember correctly, you got the giga-fiber or whatever from att right? We don’t have that option in my neck of the woods. 

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15 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Comcast wasn’t capped around these parts until about a year ago I think. 

If i remember correctly, you got the giga-fiber or whatever from att right? We don’t have that option in my neck of the woods. 

yes - they've really been on a slow expansion - I think ATT started the build out in A^2 at least 4-5 years ago and obviously still are not nearly done.

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I've been checking it periodically by my house, still no luck.  I'm near carpenter and ellsworth.

 

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I think the upload throttling is somewhat new too.  Back in the day my friend used to have a computer that was solely used for bit torrent, and he would log into the machine once a week and just set it up to download a bunch of crap, mostly music, then it would sit there and seed for at least week.  His ratios were great!   He never experienced an issue with throttling when that was going on.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, RedRamage said:

For those of you who streaming, who do you get you get your Internet from?  I've always been a little worried about that... I know I got a letter from Comcast a about a year ago saying that they were limiting Internet to like 1 terabyte per month... which is a lot, but if my family starts streaming all kinds of shows that might be easy to cross.

I have WOW. Currently on a 60 MBPS for $40 plan. I stream all day and do a lot of work from home. Speeds have always been good and reliable. 

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12 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I have WOW. Currently on a 60 MBPS for $40 plan. I stream all day and do a lot of work from home. Speeds have always been good and reliable. 

But do you know how much you're streaming?  Do you know if WOW has a monthly ceiling?

Also... WOW ain't on the west side of the state. :(

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19 hours ago, Shelton said:

While on the topic of internet streaming, I see that the net neutrality rules were scrapped today. I am in the minority on this, but it doesn’t worry me. I doubt a provider, like Comcast, is going to start throttling or prioritizing mainstream internet sources. Doing so would drive their customers away to a competitor pretty damn fast. 

I think they would get around to that again at some point, even if not right away. Here are some examples of things they have already tried to do.

 

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20 hours ago, Shelton said:

While on the topic of internet streaming, I see that the net neutrality rules were scrapped today. I am in the minority on this, but it doesn’t worry me. I doubt a provider, like Comcast, is going to start throttling or prioritizing mainstream internet sources. Doing so would drive their customers away to a competitor pretty damn fast. 

Here's the problem though:

1. Competition is somewhat limited.  Granted, there are more options now, but still limited.  In my area Comcast is the ONLY cable option.  I could do ATT for internet also, but that's pretty much it.

2. You're assuming that you'd KNOW that certain things were being throttled.  Comcast could easily just *slightly* slow down a few competition sites like Netflix or Hulu... not enough for you to notice a huge impact, but a little... and then maybe a little more in 6 months... then a little more in another 6 months...

3. You're assuming that the competition won't also throttle the same sites.  Most of the major ISPs probably "fear" the same streaming services and have the same motivation to see them limited.  ATT surely wants you using DirecTVNow vs. Netflix... as does Comcast want you using their TV package vs. Netflix.

In reality, here's what I think is going to happen.  There's going to be three major avenues that will change...

A.) Major content providers (Netflix, Hulu, ESPN, youtube, etc) will be contacted by the ISPs who'll say: Listen you're services are using 90% of our bandwidth.  In order to "protect the little guys" we need to limit how much data you use.  This is an in name of helping out the small providers.  We're definitely not doing this as a money grab at ALL, we promise.  But... if you do pay us a little bit we could probably eventually get bigger bandwidth to our customers which would help everyone right?  So... yeah, you give us $$$$ and we'll make sure you're not throttled. Of course, the services pass this cost on to the end user as much as possible.

B.) Eventually I do expect new/expanded bandwidth for more and more content, but I also expect the ISPs to "sell" this extra bandwidth.  Everyone else will get the "regular Internet" but the companies/users who are willing to pay extra will get the super fast lane.  

C.) If Data is now not treated neutrally, there isn't anything illegal about blocking certain content.  ATT can block ads from Verizon.  Comcast can block site that discuss alternatives to cable.  How long until ISPs "lobby" congress not with money, but with favors?  "We'll block/super throttle those sites which are anti-fracking in this state if you approve the bill allowing us to do xyz."

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2 hours ago, RedRamage said:

Here's the problem though:

 

2. You're assuming that you'd KNOW that certain things were being throttled.  Comcast could easily just *slightly* slow down a few competition sites like Netflix or Hulu... not enough for you to notice a huge impact, but a little... and then maybe a little more in 6 months... then a little more in another 6 months...

 

It's even more subtle than that. The video protocols have built-in compression fall backs. All you are going to notice is "Gee, that movie tonight on HBO looked way better than the one last night on Starz. Starz sucks!"

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25 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Will they also block your tinfoil hat supply website?

Probably... they would block it along with

  • ATT blocking Skype and other VOIP services
  • or Comcast throttling peer-to-peer sharing
  • or Verizon cutting off text message access to a pro-Abortion group
  • or MetroPCS plans to block all streaming video services except for YouTube
  • or ATT, Sprint, and Verizon all blocking Google Wallet which competed against a service all three were backing
  • or ATT Blocking Facetime unless users bought a more expensive plan
  • or Comcast intentionally keeping Netflix traffic in "congested lanes" until Netflix agree to pay Comcast money.

These are all examples of things that have been done while net neutrality was the "law."  I don't expect that the Internet will shut down or that our prices will skyrocket.  But I do expect that changes will come.  I expect that we'll see slower service for companies that don't "pay" the providers enough.

I do expect that we'll see more and more companies censoring certain sites.  Heck, how long until little Bobby finds a conspiracy site that promotes white supremacy and little Bobby gets tottaly taken in and ends up going on a shooting spree...  How long until Comcast is named a defender in a lawsuit because they allowed this Hate Speech site to pervert little Bobby?

I do expect that we'll seen "exclusive deals" with some of the major ISP out there.  We already have it where Verizon has NFL games on their phones, but because of exclusive deals with other partners, you can watch the game on your phone, but you can't stream the game from your phone to a TV or projector, nor can you watch the game on your Verizon Tablet... just phone.

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On my att cell phone plan, if I stream video over the network my video quality is limited. They did this under the net neutrality situation that was in effect until yesterday. Am I happy about that? Not really. But it’s not a deal breaker.

Of course a provider “could” do something that I don’t like, but whatever. 

Look, if it were up to me, nothing would have changed. I’m not happy it changed. I want it to go back to the way it was. But I’m also not all that concerned about what may happen going forward. 

Ultimately, I think we are going to end up in the same place. There might be some bumps in the road, but it’s going to be fine. 

As more and more people use internet bandwidth, the providers are going to have to spend more money to keep up. So our costs are going up anyway. 

If Comcast wants to charge Netflix some money to get into the fast lane, that’s money that Comcast doesn’t have to pass along to me. Netflix will. If Comcast doesn’t want to charge Netflix to get into the fast lane, then Comcast is going to pass that cost along to me. 

The “sky is falling” kind of stuff just bothers me. When the sky actually falls, then I will get upset. 

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27 minutes ago, Shelton said:

On my att cell phone plan, if I stream video over the network my video quality is limited. They did this under the net neutrality situation that was in effect until yesterday. Am I happy about that? Not really. But it’s not a deal breaker.

Of course a provider “could” do something that I don’t like, but whatever. 

Look, if it were up to me, nothing would have changed. I’m not happy it changed. I want it to go back to the way it was. But I’m also not all that concerned about what may happen going forward. 

Ultimately, I think we are going to end up in the same place. There might be some bumps in the road, but it’s going to be fine. 

As more and more people use internet bandwidth, the providers are going to have to spend more money to keep up. So our costs are going up anyway. 

If Comcast wants to charge Netflix some money to get into the fast lane, that’s money that Comcast doesn’t have to pass along to me. Netflix will. If Comcast doesn’t want to charge Netflix to get into the fast lane, then Comcast is going to pass that cost along to me. 

The “sky is falling” kind of stuff just bothers me. When the sky actually falls, then I will get upset. 

I don't think the sky is falling either, but it's just another example of the US political system being too stupid and in thrall to fantasy world right wing ideology to govern rationally or in the public interest. Sometimes a duck is just a duck, not an eagle, not a woodpecker. Your data provider is a public utility, period. Just cut to the chase, save everyone 10yrs of court battles and political fund raising and do the obvious, which is create a public utility style regulation regime for ISPs. To me this is more of a "Keep It Simple, Stupid" issue than anything else.

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Yeah, the simplest answer is to just keep it as a utility. Would save a lot of headaches. It is a bit more complicated than a simple utility, though. 

I still think at the end of the day that market demands will keep the providers from doing something outlandish. 

I know it’s naive, but Comcast has been going on a PR rampage in the lead up to this promising to not change the way we use the internet. No throttling, blocking, or fast lanes. At the same time, they don’t want to be regulated as a utility. Are there other things they want to do behind the scenes that won’t ultimately affect us that they couldn’t do under the previous situation? I don’t have the slightest idea. 

 

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

Yeah, the simplest answer is to just keep it as a utility. Would save a lot of headaches. It is a bit more complicated than a simple utility, though. 

I still think at the end of the day that market demands will keep the providers from doing something outlandish. 

I know it’s naive, but Comcast has been going on a PR rampage in the lead up to this promising to not change the way we use the internet. No throttling, blocking, or fast lanes. At the same time, they don’t want to be regulated as a utility. Are there other things they want to do behind the scenes that won’t ultimately affect us that they couldn’t do under the previous situation? I don’t have the slightest idea. 

 

I've heard that from Comcast too, but I gotta ask: If they're not going to change... if they're not to to throttle, block, or use fast lanes... why do they want it changed?

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2 hours ago, RedRamage said:

I do expect that we'll see more and more companies censoring certain sites.  Heck, how long until little Bobby finds a conspiracy site that promotes white supremacy and little Bobby gets tottaly taken in and ends up going on a shooting spree...  How long until Comcast is named a defender in a lawsuit because they allowed this Hate Speech site to pervert little Bobby?

Calling out BS on myself...  I found a site that discusses how ISP are immune to being sued for Cyberbullying.  It would seem that this would also cover illegal or other "dangerous" sites that an end user might try to access, so to that end I wouldn't expect to see ISPs blocking certain sights just because it might get sued. That's not to say that ISPs might not still decide to censor certain sites for some other reason.

 

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10 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

I've heard that from Comcast too, but I gotta ask: If they're not going to change... if they're not to to throttle, block, or use fast lanes... why do they want it changed?

My guess is that there are some Comcast owned things that they may decide to prioritize on the network. I don’t really know. They can say that they won’t sell access to the fast lane to different content providers, and still make things easier on their own content. Will that hurt the consumer? I don’t know. 

I don’t think giving some sources access to a fast lane is effectively throttling the sources that aren’t in the fast lane. 

“Fast lane” is a bit of a misnomer, isn’t it? 

Again, as a consumer, I prefer net neutrality. But I don’t expect this to affect the way I consume the internet. 

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So now I am starting to think about ditching cable.  Still need internet service of course.  

Sling TV gives me a lot of the channels I already watch for 45.00 a month with the orange and blue service, can get enough internet for 50.00 a month and can get HDTV/Bluewire antennas for about 100.00 one time cost for 3 of them.  I am consistently paying over 200.00 a month now for a service I used to pay 130.00 for...not sure how it happens because we call everything, but it does.  We have Netflix now and would keep it.

The more I think about it the more I want to do it, but the thought of having to cancel my cable and go through all the crap you have to go through to cancel is making my butt pucker.

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We cut the cord almost two years ago. We should have done it sooner. You'll miss some things at first but in the long run you'll spend less time in front of the tv.

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18 minutes ago, Biff Mayhem said:

We cut the cord almost two years ago. We should have done it sooner. You'll miss some things at first but in the long run you'll spend less time in front of the tv.

Which is a good thing anyway.  How much are you saving?

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44 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

So now I am starting to think about ditching cable.  Still need internet service of course.  

Sling TV gives me a lot of the channels I already watch for 45.00 a month with the orange and blue service, can get enough internet for 50.00 a month and can get HDTV/Bluewire antennas for about 100.00 one time cost for 3 of them.  I am consistently paying over 200.00 a month now for a service I used to pay 130.00 for...not sure how it happens because we call everything, but it does.  We have Netflix now and would keep it.

The more I think about it the more I want to do it, but the thought of having to cancel my cable and go through all the crap you have to go through to cancel is making my butt pucker.

Sling sucks

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