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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Interesting to see kc at number 29.  Hopefully with them being terrible too we don't sneak out some extra wins that could cost us my dream of having back to back number 1 picks.  Don't ruin this for me Royals!!

The two worst teams in baseball reside in the AL Central and the White Sox aren't far behind. That's 58ish  or so layups for the Indians. The Tribe has to be a lock for 100 wins next year. Does Vegas takes bets for this kind of thing?

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5 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Castellanos has his breakout year - bats .300 with 40 home runs.  Jacoby Jones 30/30 man.  Daniel Norris becomes an ace.  Jeremy Bonderman makes a comeback.  

Nick manages a 50% hard hit rate and a 30% LD rate but still sits in the .260s.

Jacoby Jones has a ceiling of Grady Sizemore and a floor of the new guy at work that dominates your pickup B Ball games and your wife... 

Daniel Norris continues to have the best stuff you've ever seen out of a guy with a 5.50 ERA. 

During Bonderman's come back, he becomes known as the elusive crafty righty. He takes a cerebral approach, but somehow he is still able to summon Mr Snappy in all of its' 2007 glory.

81-81, World Series champions. 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

His agent played that really well.

Well I don't know - I'd say he's spinning it really well.  Is 5/106 really better than 4/88?  Especially when you look at the monster pay cuts Upton takes during the first 2 years of the deal, a total of 10 million.  

That one extra year makes him 35 when it's over, not 34.  That could be a very important factor in whether or not he gets one more Big Stupid Contract when this one is over.  I'll give Upton's agent credit for one thing though - telling him to not even bother with free agency.

It's a good deal if Upton is so bad at age 34 that no one would sign him for 1/17 (which could easily happen).

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I hope getting rid of Romine was an analytics-based decision. On an emotional level I like these marginal play every position-type players -  every team needs one, I think - and Romine was a good one. But if the numbers say otherwise I am willing to agree.  If the numbers are merely about money that bothers me.  Oh well. 

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As for JD Martinez, he’s 30 years old and has only played one full season in the majors without being injured.  I can’t see this being less of a problem the older he gets. A big six-year contract to a guy who’s missing 40 games a year and maybe more seems dangerous.  Being a DH in AL would be a good place for him. 

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30 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

Well I don't know - I'd say he's spinning it really well.  Is 5/106 really better than 4/88?  Especially when you look at the monster pay cuts Upton takes during the first 2 years of the deal, a total of 10 million.  

That one extra year makes him 35 when it's over, not 34.  That could be a very important factor in whether or not he gets one more Big Stupid Contract when this one is over.  I'll give Upton's agent credit for one thing though - telling him to not even bother with free agency.

It's a good deal if Upton is so bad at age 34 that no one would sign him for 1/17 (which could easily happen).

I think it is a very good deal.  And I suspect it is likely the team values deferring the money more than he dislikes it, and leveraged that fact to add a year onto a deal that probably was more than he was going to get as a FA.

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23 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

I hope getting rid of Romine was an analytics-based decision. On an emotional level I like these marginal play every position-type players -  every team needs one, I think - and Romine was a good one. But if the numbers say otherwise I am willing to agree.  If the numbers are merely about money that bothers me.  Oh well. 

Probably more about age, need and roster spots.

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Fenech: The Tigers have placed right-hander Myles Jaye and left-hander Kyle Ryan on outright waivers, I'm told.

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Is that 8 open spots on the 40 man? I read they had 6 after the Deuce purge earlier. They have 2 outfielders on the roster right now.

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Just now, kdog said:

Is that 8 open spots on the 40 man? I read they had 6 after the Deuce purge earlier. They have 2 outfielders on the roster right now.

I think it's 7 open spots.  Martinez is on the 60 day DL, but will need to come off soon.  

I would guess that Castellanos will soon be listed as an outfielder too.  

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6 hours ago, pyrotigers said:

JD is the greatest, I hope he gets 10/1 billion

If Ilitch was still alive I'm sure Boras could squeeze that out of him.  

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4 hours ago, tiger337 said:
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The Tigers have placed right-hander Myles Jaye and left-hander Kyle Ryan on outright waivers, I'm told.

10:08 PM - 2 Nov 2017

Any players that don't have a surname are going on waivers!!  Allen Craig is fortunate he's not with the Tigers. 

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8 hours ago, tiger337 said:

I think it's 7 open spots.  Martinez is on the 60 day DL, but will need to come off soon.  

I would guess that Castellanos will soon be listed as an outfielder too.  

Oh, I don't know, I think he can stay there.

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Edman gave me a list of players that would need to be added to the 40.  They won't add all those guys, but it's useful to have a list of guys that could be lost to the Rule 5 draft if not added.  

Replying to @ebajek85 @tiger337

Alcantara, A. Castro, Gerber, Greiner, E. Jimenez, Moreno, Pereira, Ravenelle, Soto, Turnbull, Voelker to name a few.

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2 hours ago, kdog said:

I think we'll see a few rule 5 types on the roster. 

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the tigers take three guys. They will need a utility infielder. They could probably use a utility outfielder. And you can always carry a reliever that you use in blowouts. 

The tigers have the top pick of course, so it is a good chance to add a guy that might be an asset down the line, even if he isn’t ready for mlb. 

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2) Protecting players from the Rule 5 Draft. The Tigers must set their protected list for the Rule 5 Draft by Nov. 20 and there are a handful of young players who are almost certain to be added to the 40-man roster, led by outfielder Mike Gerber and catcher Grayson Greiner.

Gerber even has a chance to compete for an Opening Day job if the Tigers don't bring back Presley or find another left-handed outfielder on the free-agent market.

Other 2014 draft picks now eligible for Rule 5 selection include pitchers Spencer Turnbull, Adam Ravenelle and Paul Voelker. (The first two have gotten some work in the Arizona Fall League in recent weeks).

Many international signees are also eligible, including left-handed reliever Gregory Soto and right-hander Gerson Moreno. Soto was named the organization's minor-league pitcher of the year in 2017.

Prospect Jose Azocar is also eligible. He's considered to have a high ceiling, but hasn't yet done much offensively. He struck out 122 times and walked in only 14 plate appearances this year in Class A (Advanced) Lakeland.

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37 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the tigers take three guys. They will need a utility infielder. They could probably use a utility outfielder. And you can always carry a reliever that you use in blowouts. 

The tigers have the top pick of course, so it is a good chance to add a guy that might be an asset down the line, even if he isn’t ready for mlb. 

Yes I think that a reliever with high-90's stuff is a sure thing.  Maybe 2 of them.  And yes, a glove man to back up the middle infield.

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I think the real progress we see in analytics will be this early phase of waiver claims and fringe roster building. Can they identify some dudes in the rule 5 draft or get a fringe type in a trade?  It might also manifest in prospect development.

You won't see much in the majors for a few years. Gardy can do whatever while the rest of the org is evolving.

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9 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

Mike Pelfrey is a free agent.  Do you think that a 2-year deal would be enough to get him back?

trust the scouts

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48 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Edman gave me a list of players that would need to be added to the 40.  They won't add all those guys, but it's useful to have a list of guys that could be lost to the Rule 5 draft if not added.  

Replying to @ebajek85 @tiger337

Alcantara, A. Castro, Gerber, Greiner, E. Jimenez, Moreno, Pereira, Ravenelle, Soto, Turnbull, Voelker to name a few.

Cool, I was looking for something like this. Eddie is the man for these things.

I would say Alcantara (JD trade), Castro (WMI starter), Gerber (lock), Jimenez (reliever that threw a baseball at someone in a brawl), Moreno (100mph+), Soto (LHSP with velo, stuff), Turnbull (Erie starter, bullpen future?) could all be added.

That seems like too many from a poor system, but they all have MLB talent, albeit a lot of them from the bullpen. Castro, Jimenez and Soto are a few years away so I'm not sure how that affects the thinking. Soto seems like a guy they keep for sure tho.

So I'd guess Gerber, Moreno, Soto, Turnbull get added to the 40-man. Gerber will play in MLB in 2018. Moreno has potentially high end bullpen stuff and is already at Erie. Soto has potential still as a SP, and another team could easily stick him in the bullpen as a LH specialist for a year. Turnbull is close enough to the bigs, and a team could try to use him now from the pen.

For the guys I wouldn't add, Alcantara has name recognition from the trade and defensive chops, but I'm not sure he's a guy a team would keep as a no-bat UTIL--I don't think he has great speed either so he wouldn't be a pinch running weapon. Jimenez is possible, but my impression is he's not developed enough to avoid getting lit up, so very likely not. A Castro is probably too far away to get taken, but he does has some SP potential from what I've read, so you might want to keep him. Greiner likely has backup catcher upside, so no loss. Pereira is too far away. Azocar too. Ravenelle doesn't throw enough strikes to bother with yet as a purely bullpen arm. Voelker doesn't seem to have MLB stuff--think Ferrell, etc.

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7 minutes ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

Cool, I was looking for something like this. Eddie is the man for these things.

I would say Alcantara (JD trade), Castro (WMI starter), Gerber (lock), Jimenez (reliever that threw a baseball at someone in a brawl), Moreno (100mph+), Soto (LHSP with velo, stuff), Turnbull (Erie starter, bullpen future?) could all be added.

That seems like too many from a poor system, but they all have MLB talent, albeit a lot of them from the bullpen. Castro, Jimenez and Soto are a few years away so I'm not sure how that affects the thinking. Soto seems like a guy they keep for sure tho.

So I'd guess Gerber, Moreno, Soto, Turnbull get added to the 40-man. Gerber will play in MLB in 2018. Moreno has potentially high end bullpen stuff and is already at Erie. Soto has potential still as a SP, and another team could easily stick him in the bullpen as a LH specialist for a year. Turnbull is close enough to the bigs, and a team could try to use him now from the pen.

For the guys I wouldn't add, Alcantara has name recognition from the trade and defensive chops, but I'm not sure he's a guy a team would keep as a no-bat UTIL--I don't think he has great speed either so he wouldn't be a pinch running weapon. Jimenez is possible, but my impression is he's not developed enough to avoid getting lit up, so very likely not. A Castro is probably too far away to get taken, but he does has some SP potential from what I've read, so you might want to keep him. Greiner likely has backup catcher upside, so no loss. Pereira is too far away. Azocar too. Ravenelle doesn't throw enough strikes to bother with yet as a purely bullpen arm. Voelker doesn't seem to have MLB stuff--think Ferrell, etc.

I don’t think they protect turnbull. 

What is the 40 man at right now? I think it is 32. They have been proactive about removing guys from the 40 already this offseason. I wonder whether they are done cutting guys. I haven’t looked at it recently to know what the other dead weight might be. 

We know Kinsler will be traded, so that’s 31. We also know we will probably sign a SP and a couple RPs. And probably a couple rule 5 guys will be taken. So maybe plan on five being used for free agents and rule 5 picks? 

That only leaves four spots for protecting guys. Gerber Moreno and Soto seem like locks to be protected. Alcantara seems likely. Did I see Greiner mentioned as rule 5 eligible somewhere? I would think he would be protected, too. 

There is probably more dead weight that can be cut or traded away. I don’t think rondon will be on the team this spring for example. But maybe he has enough potential still to get a team to give up something for him. 

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