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11 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I would think they could find better guys than Jaye, Lewicki, Bell and Saupold for minimal cost.  I'm not sure they will all stay on the 40-man roster all winter.  

Probably. I don’t really care. 

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23 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

No. We don't need another pick contract at this point. 

And not having a firstbaseman in the pipeline really isn't that big of a deal. Either find one in a few years in FA or strap one of the many outfield guys to a firstbase glove and let em learn. 

Yeah, absolutely no friggin' way should we be signing FAs that cost picks....and if we were that dippy, we should avoid any corner-position at all costs.

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8 hours ago, tiger337 said:

I don't expect many free agents to be signed, but there could be some interesting non-tenders available or they could trade for someone like Mahtook. I expect them to be more aggressive pursuing that level of player than they have been in the past.  

Yes, AA seems to find unclaimed talent. We signed JD after he was released. I think we'll see the Tigers sign several players that are considered projects. No big name, high money players though.

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I guess I'm more worried which players will be moved. Iggy, Nick and Fulmer all being moved actually makes sense if we really wanna load up on prospects. Like it or not.

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22 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I guess I'm more worried which players will be moved. Iggy, Nick and Fulmer all being moved actually makes sense if we really wanna load up on prospects. Like it or not.

I think there's a decent chance Iglesias gets moved. Fulmer is recovering from surgery. Even though he should be fine, his value is not what it should be until he proves he's fine. I suppose there's a chance he could be dealt at the deadline in July. 

We saw firsthand how weak the market was for a great corner OF bat who is not a great fielder. Castellanos is nowhere near the par of JD. If he can proves he can play a decent RF, maybe he gets moved next summer. But as of now, he's not worth moving. 

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9 hours ago, sabretooth said:

I could see moving Nick and Iggy but honestly I still don't see any sense at all in trading Fulmer.

I think there was a small chance at an overpay for him before the injury.  But not right now.

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I think it is highly unlikely that nick is traded. I just don’t see anyone offering enough to make it worthwhile. If he has a good year in 2018, and the team still has little chance of being competitive and he is looking at a big payday after 2019, then maybe. 

Iglesias is a tougher call. He probably has more value this offseason than he will midseason. But he is also a guy you might want to extend or sign after 2018. A lot depends on how machado looks next year, and also how Lugo looks in Toledo. But we won’t really have a good idea about that until late in 2018. I also doubt they would get much for him, so I would probably decide to keep him for next year. 

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15 hours ago, irvink said:

I think there's a decent chance Iglesias gets moved. Fulmer is recovering from surgery. Even though he should be fine, his value is not what it should be until he proves he's fine. I suppose there's a chance he could be dealt at the deadline in July. 

We saw firsthand how weak the market was for a great corner OF bat who is not a great fielder. Castellanos is nowhere near the par of JD. If he can proves he can play a decent RF, maybe he gets moved next summer. But as of now, he's not worth moving. 

Castellanos isn't worth what we could get for him, I agree. But I also don't see the Tigers offering him a decent contract either. If he's arbitration eligible, I could see the Tigers moving him for less than what his value may be. We're going to have under a $75 million payroll, with Cabrera getting about half of that. Unless we can find a team to take on most of his contract. Let's just hope all this losing pays off and we don't swing and miss on the draft picks. We need quality players.

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I would keep Nick and Jose.  This team is just a bullpen away from being ok.  Not saying competitive or anything but if their analytics push is real then I don't see why they can't be able to have a bullpen that's merely average than cringe-worthy as it is now.

 

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20 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I guess I'm more worried which players will be moved. Iggy, Nick and Fulmer all being moved actually makes sense if we really wanna load up on prospects. Like it or not.

Only if the return is good enough. You are not going to trade Fulmer for nothing less that 2 blue chip prospects.

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3 hours ago, Oblong said:

I would keep Nick and Jose.  This team is just a bullpen away from being ok.  Not saying competitive or anything but if their analytics push is real then I don't see why they can't be able to have a bullpen that's merely average than cringe-worthy as it is now.

 

I don't think it matters what the fans want or what the Tigers need. We'll be shedding salary, JV was proof of that. Every player is available and I don't think the price will be scaring many teams away. Contracts will though, obviously nobody will be taking on VMart or Miggy. Unless we pick most of the contract.

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3 hours ago, Oblong said:

This team is just a bullpen away from being ok.  Not saying competitive or anything but if their analytics push is real then I don't see why they can't be able to have a bullpen that's merely average than cringe-worthy as it is now.

This is similar to my long standing theory about bullpens.  I go further in claiming that playoff teams typically do not spend a lot on their bullpens.  You just need to know how to identify, develop, coach and piece together spare parts.

On the flip side, there is really no legitimate reason to have a bad bullpen.  Even a developing team should be able to find and plug in a few arms who are halfway decent at throwing a fastball and a second pitch.

It's OK with me if the Tigers have a lower-tier bullpen in 2018 but the management team should at least keep the bullpen from being horrible.

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22 hours ago, sabretooth said:

I could see moving Nick and Iggy but honestly I still don't see any sense at all in trading Fulmer.

Henning is fixated on this, which seems silly to me too .   Good pitching is hard to find.

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We should probably trade one of our only good young players when he's coming off an injury and likely at a reduced value, it makes a lot of sense.

If there is a team out there who hasn't reduced their valuation of him due to his injuries, I would seriously consider trading him though, so I can kind of see his point. The timing seems pretty bad though.

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2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I don't think it matters what the fans want or what the Tigers need. We'll be shedding salary, JV was proof of that. Every player is available and I don't think the price will be scaring many teams away. Contracts will though, obviously nobody will be taking on VMart or Miggy. Unless we pick most of the contract.

There isn't much more salary to shred. You still ahve to feed a team and Nick will still cost minimal in baseball contracts even at arbitration. 

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They should definitely sign two or three relievers on 1 year deals for back end roles. Hopefully they pan out and can be flipped at the deadline.

I don't really see the point in signing anyone else other than AAAA guys to fill out the roster so the prospects can play and work on things in the minors rather than the majors.

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I am going back and forth on the pitching.  I think its easy to consider what workloads are going to be needed by a metric of innings pitched. 

162 games times 9 innings is 1,458 innings.  And granted, there are going to be gives and takes with road games where the opposition doesn't hit in the 9th and an extra inning game here and there.  And then you take that 1,458 and kind of figure, well, the starters should take X% and the relievers have to take Y%.

I wonder whether that math works fine for the Tigers next season?  Because the potential is there for a pretty rotten pitching staff if the Tigers aren't going to be players in addressing the pitching staff much at all.  Those innings pitched are going to be heavily worked ones simply because there's going to be more traffic on the basepaths.

I don't think that the malarky of a 7th inning guy and an 8th inning guy and a closer and a lefty specialist is going to apply next season.  I'm sure they'll use Greene as a closer.  And I guess they likely would use Stumpf and Wilson as set up if Opening Day were next week.  Outside of that, and with the short and long term future of the club in mind, I would think they've got to fill the other 4 spots with multi inning guys.

Or am I overthinking it?

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I would expect them to bring in a low end innings eater to keep the staff from being embarrassingly bad. Someone like RA Dickey, Scott Kazmir, or go after Matt Harvey.

 If Fulmer misses a big chunk of the season it could get pretty ugly. 

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