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Well, Fredi is an awful manager, so he would fit in well with this team. But I do think the points henning makes are valid. Being bilingual and working well with Cabrera is important. And I suppose they could tell him to not sac bunt, burn out pitchers, or intentionally walk everyone. 

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My first priority in a manager is the whole personality/leadership type deal. A Leyland, Francona type. If you respect and enjoy interacting with your manager, that's a good environment to improve in.

Second is being able to apply statcast/trackman data in your coaching to further improve individuals. Being able to tell pitchers that this is why your fastball isn't working now, that pitch should work for you, your release point is off compared to where it was, this is why you're not elevating with power, etc. etc. I also think the Tigers FO could learn something in this regard from the right manager.

I don't care so much about in-game decisions and everything, because that won't matter for another year or two or three. Obviously, you don't want to hang pitchers out to dry, and you want to use them in good situations to build trade value, so it's important in that regard. But not really about the subtler moves that win or lose a couple extra games a season.

It all blends together of course--guys will be more open to new data if they have a good relationship with the manager, using players properly in a game will help them improve, etc.

I have no idea about individual managers so I can't really say who does or doesn't fit. Neither Miami nor Atlanta were that far along with analytics, so I'm not sure Fredi is the guy for that. I suspect he's a good leader type tho.

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What's Henning's source? 

 

My choice is Brandon Hyde. Cubs bench coach. He has minor league experience & was in charge of Cubs player development

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Wait a minute.  Shouldn't we want someone that's going to allow for being only good enough to still gather up as many #1s as possible for a few more seasons?

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3 minutes ago, Brian said:

What's Henning's source? 

 

My choice is Brandon Hyde. Cubs bench coach. He has minor league experience & was in charge of Cubs player development

This is an opinion/research piece. No sources.

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1 hour ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

My first priority in a manager is the whole personality/leadership type deal. A Leyland, Francona type. If you respect and enjoy interacting with your manager, that's a good environment to improve in.

Second is being able to apply statcast/trackman data in your coaching to further improve individuals. Being able to tell pitchers that this is why your fastball isn't working now, that pitch should work for you, your release point is off compared to where it was, this is why you're not elevating with power, etc. etc. I also think the Tigers FO could learn something in this regard from the right manager.

I don't care so much about in-game decisions and everything, because that won't matter for another year or two or three. Obviously, you don't want to hang pitchers out to dry, and you want to use them in good situations to build trade value, so it's important in that regard. But not really about the subtler moves that win or lose a couple extra games a season.

It all blends together of course--guys will be more open to new data if they have a good relationship with the manager, using players properly in a game will help them improve, etc.

I have no idea about individual managers so I can't really say who does or doesn't fit. Neither Miami nor Atlanta were that far along with analytics, so I'm not sure Fredi is the guy for that. I suspect he's a good leader type tho.

I don’t think a manager needs to be on the cutting edge of analytics. But I would like to have one that is open to using analytical data provided by the staff.

I would hope that Avila makes it clear to candidates that analytics will be provided and that the manager will be expected to rely on them to a reasonable extent. I think most managers would want to use it. 

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3 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I don’t think a manager needs to be on the cutting edge of analytics. But I would like to have one that is open to using analytical data provided by the staff.

I would hope that Avila makes it clear to candidates that analytics will be provided and that the manager will be expected to rely on them to a reasonable extent. I think most managers would want to use it. 

I don't think they need to be cutting edge, but I think with the tigers being an analytically noob org, it helps to have someone to know what to ask for and to know how to apply it. I think that'd speed up your progress in that department by a year or two.

But I'm sure there's other ways and hires to do so, as well.

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1 minute ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

I don't think they need to be cutting edge, but I think with the tigers being an analytically noob org, it helps to have someone to know what to ask for and to know how to apply it. I think that'd speed up your progress in that department by a year or two.

But I'm sure there's other ways and hires to do so, as well.

True. There are a lot of things to consider. I think because winning games the next couple years isn’t the highest priority, a guy with good management skills but less than stellar analytical skills could be preferable. But who knows. 

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4 minutes ago, Shelton said:

True. There are a lot of things to consider. I think because winning games the next couple years isn’t the highest priority, a guy with good management skills but less than stellar analytical skills could be preferable. But who knows. 

I don't care about analytics as far as managing games, I care about it for player improvement.

There was a fangraphs article about what JD looks for, I think it was zone contact % on fastballs or something. And he uses that to judge if his swing is right. You can't have guys not using it at all, and you can't have them looking at the wrong things either.

They really need to have an individualized plan for every player, beyond just stats or just mechanics of course, and that has to go through the manager and his coaches.

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I think sabermetrics is more important for a GM than a manager, but it would good if the manager was receptive to it and able communicate it to the players without them necessarily knowing he is using sabermetrics. 

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An absolutely terrible manager with a long record of failure and an absurd love of bunts and other archaic nonsense sounds like the perfect fit for an unwatchable 100 loss team. Get it done Avila. Keep up the great work

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The coaches are the guys you want to understand analytics to give advice to the players they are responsible for developing.

I don't think the manager is individually working with too many players.

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7 minutes ago, pyrotigers said:

An absolutely terrible manager with a long record of failure and an absurd love of bunts and other archaic nonsense sounds like the perfect fit for an unwatchable 100 loss team. Get it done Avila. Keep up the great work

Ideally, every other word is a swear and tobacco juice is sprayed all over the place.  Also a thick mustache.  

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Honestly, I think the biggest requirement to  managing the **** show that will be the 2018-20 Tigers is to stay positive overall while demanding a reasonable amount of accountability and keeping the players engaged.

Which ain't so different from managing a potential 100 win team.

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46 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I think sabermetrics is more important for a GM than a manager, but it would good if the manager was receptive to it and able communicate it to the players without them necessarily knowing he is using sabermetrics. 

Yes, I would think this is true.  The GM is getting the parts and the manager is using the parts.  But they still need to be in tandem with what parts work well in various situations.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Honestly, I think the biggest requirement to  managing the **** show that will be the 2018-20 Tigers is to stay positive overall while demanding a reasonable amount of accountability and keeping the players engaged.

Which ain't so different from managing a potential 100 win team.

So get someone that is good at managing 100 loss or 100 win teams?  Is a 90 win or a 90 loss candidate close enough?

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I am going to force my kid into baseball management....it is always 'this guy was the developer for such and such a team'...they ride the accomplishments of others all the way up the line.  Not hard to be a great player developer when the organization is drafting all the right guys....bench coach?  wtf is that?  'Dude was pitching coach for one of the best pitching line ups in recent memory..'...let's hire THAT guy.

 

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Clint Hurdle was a grizzled old retread when Pitt hired him. He said he was open to analytics and it's worked out well.

Someone like that - a steady, experienced hand open to new ideas is  probably who AA goes after. 

Maybe Gardy is the new Hurdle?

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Honestly, I think the biggest requirement to  managing the **** show that will be the 2018-20 Tigers is to stay positive overall while demanding a reasonable amount of accountability and keeping the players engaged.

Which ain't so different from managing a potential 100 win team.

Just give me someone who is entertaining during postgame press conferences. And I'm about 80% serious. 

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Whoever they pick, you are going to hate him, and spend a lot of time on message boards explaining what an idiot he is, because he couldn't make a simple, obviously correct decision.

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21 minutes ago, SeattleMike said:

Just give me someone who is entertaining during postgame press conferences. And I'm about 80% serious. 

Yeah, I think you are right. They want a pro who can take attention away from the horrendous product on the field. 

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26 minutes ago, Longgone said:

Whoever they pick, you are going to hate him, and spend a lot of time on message boards explaining what an idiot he is, because he couldn't make a simple, obviously correct decision.

That is correct, especially with the crap team they are probably going to have next year.  

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Judging by the response on this board the obvious answer is a return of Louis Puljols.

Just make sure the cable bill is payed so he can watch the Weather Channel 

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