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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

people plead guilty to things all the time to avoid jail.  

 

And you know those are called Alford. Which no story has made mention of anywhere

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4 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

And you know those are called Alford. Which no story has made mention of anywhere

Not sure Washington has Alford pleas in juvie courts

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Some relevant excerpts from Kiley's chat earlier today. The idea that AA and co are trying to get down Mize's $ so they can sign Keleneic is interesting. Even if it's not him, clearly trying to save as much as possible to get another much-needed, high end talent. 

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Sean: Kiley, any sense as to if the Tigers will continue their college heavy approach or if they will start to prioritize ceiling a bit more this year?

Kiley McDaniel: Sounds like they’re targeting prep players with their second pick (Avila scouted Parker Meadows, they’re on JT Ginn), there’s a rumor they are trying to get the Mize bonus low enough to float Kelenic to their 2nd pick, but I doubt they can pull it off. In part because Kelenic is seen as signable, so some team will just take him if he slides

 

Tim: On a podcast White Sox scouting director Nick Hostetler said he could see the top 3 getting blown up from the order almost everyone is assuming. Have you heard anything like that and if so, what will be the catalyst of the change?

Kiley McDaniel: Well Mize not going 1-1 would do that and that seemed like 50/50 a week ago and now is like 90-95% likely to go as expected. I’d guess that’s what he meant.

 

Matt: You guys seem to be the high guys on Madrigal – so what kind of hitter do you see at peak – Pedroia?  2014 Altuve?  Urias? 2016 Altuve??  I guess what kind of stat line do you see?

Kiley McDaniel: He has elements of those guys and Albies but almost certainly isn’t as good as Pedroia/Albies/Altuve. Right around Urias, 2-3 win type that may get to 4 wins once or twice and gets to the bigs quickly.


 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kiley-mcdaniel-chat-5-30-18/

 

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31 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

And you know those are called Alford. Which no story has made mention of anywhere

you can plead guilty without it being classified as an "alford plea."  also, it could have been an alford plea and simply not mentioned by the article.

regardless, he maintains his innocence and has always done so.  he plead guilty and did his sentence.  if you do that, i dont think you should be precluded from working.

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i'm pretty sure it wasnt an alford plea because he admitted guilt in open court.

but again, people do that all the time to avoid criminal trial and the potential for a long jail sentence, whether they did the crime or not.

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50 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i'm pretty sure it wasnt an alford plea because he admitted guilt in open court.

but again, people do that all the time to avoid criminal trial and the potential for a long jail sentence, whether they did the crime or not.

Without afford? So they perjure themselves when the judge asks did you do it?

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2 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Without afford? So they perjure themselves when the judge asks did you do it?

so if the prosecutor says i will offer you a deal where you get 14 years (out in 7) if you plead guilty or we can try the case (with a potential of getting 25 years to life) and you take the deal, that automatically means you did it?  i dont think so.  thats not an alford agreement, its simply a plea that defendants make all the time to avoid the risk of a criminal trial.

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in fact, ive seen it happen in sexual abuse of a minor cases.  its a he said-she said case of you versus a 13 year old girl and there could be some materials that could be construed one way or another against you.  youre potentially facing 25 years in prison.  or, you can take a plea deal and be out in 5.  do you risk it?  or even better, you avoid jail time altogether.

its easy to sit here and say "i would never plea to anything i didnt do" when youre not staring 20 years in prison in the face.

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2 hours ago, Shelton said:

From minorleagueball scouting report in April:

Mize is listed at 6-3, 220, born May 1st, 1997. He has the stuff to back up his statistical dominance. His fastball has been 93-95 with peaks at 96 all spring. The pitch has above-average movement yet he commands it well, which is almost unfair considering how good his secondary stuff is.

Mize features a plus-quality cutter, a plus-quality splitter used in change-up counts, and a solid-average breaking ball (described as a slider, a slurve, or a curve depending on the source) distinct from the faster/harder cutter. The splitter is particularly nasty, described by Perfect Game as “devastating.” With four quality offerings his arsenal is unusually deep, even for a college pitcher from a major program.

Thanks.

Probably doesn't sit 95, but at least sits 93.

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22 minutes ago, Lei Pong said:

Sorry if thi has already been posted but...

https://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball

Certainly seems like there were strong incentives on a number of fronts for Heimlich to plead guilty.

It's hard to read that and think the kid doesn't deserve a shot.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Bottom line is we cannot know what did or did not happen.

Agreed.   Therefore it's patently unfair to essentially bar the kid from playing professional baseball.

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55 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Bottom line is we cannot know what did or did not happen.

Bottom line a prosecutor presented a case to a judge and the defendant represented by counsel decided to plead guilty after consulting with his parents. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that he is in fact guilty (or responsible as they say in juvenile court)

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Besides, he served his punishment and paid his debt to society.  It is believed the risk to commit a similar crime is low.

What is supposed to happen here?

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Sure.  But I'd argue it is also reasonable to assume he did what he did based on counsel rather than actual guilt.

Hence we can't know.

The justice system in the US is certainly messed up enough in enough places that it's hard to trust anything about reporting on any case - esp one where no evidence was ever presented and cross examined in open court.

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The last few games that I have seen Mize on TV with a gun (don't know if it's a slow or fast gun, but it seems pretty accurate), Mize is pretty consistent throwing 95-96 when he throws his fastball.  

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17 hours ago, Buddha said:

i'm pretty sure it wasnt an alford plea because he admitted guilt in open court.

but again, people do that all the time to avoid criminal trial and the potential for a long jail sentence, whether they did the crime or not.

Sounds like he had a poor defense lawyer.

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1 hour ago, diaspora04 said:

Sounds like he had a poor defense lawyer.

i wouldnt jump to that conclusion.  

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Our criminal justice system often throws people in jail for months with bail they can't afford, and then incentivizes prosecutors to pressure defendents, especially young ones, to plead guilty at the threat of max sentences, which are usually outrageous. Just one of the many reasons the USA incarcerates an insane percentage of people. 

Anyway, this belongs in the politics forum, but I'm not going to be 100% sure someone is guilty just because they pled guilty. This guy might be Hitler reborn, I have no idea, but pleading guilty really doesn't mean "I did it" in most cases in this country. 

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I'd love to see the Tigers save as much of that 8 mil slot allotment as possible, when selecting Mize. Still hard for me to believe he accepts anything less than 7.5.

 

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43 minutes ago, pyrotigers said:

Our criminal justice system often throws people in jail for months with bail they can't afford, and then incentivizes prosecutors to pressure defendents, especially young ones, to plead guilty at the threat of max sentences, which are usually outrageous. Just one of the many reasons the USA incarcerates an insane percentage of people. 

Anyway, this belongs in the politics forum, but I'm not going to be 100% sure someone is guilty just because they pled guilty. This guy might be Hitler reborn, I have no idea, but pleading guilty really doesn't mean "I did it" in most cases in this country. 

sums it up for me too.

As a team, if you are interested, all you can do is as much research on who he is now as you can and then decide. 

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On 5/29/2018 at 4:53 PM, irvink said:

 

What does Lynn Henning mean when he says the Tigers doing psychological profiling "doesn't put [them] in exclusive company"? Is this his sly way of saying everybody else was doing that already and we're the last ones to that party?

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On 5/30/2018 at 8:32 AM, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - goes back to playing it safe at 1-1. Not the place to take a flier on the chance a guy is an outlier.

Then again, doesn't Trout bat #2!

And Bryant. And Judge. And Yelich. 

And Castellanos!

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