Who is the Drizzle?

Justin Verlander Traded to Astros

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Just now, Keepleyland2 said:

Why did they need one NOW guy? so they only lose 102 next year instead of 103? 

Yah, I don't know what the angle is there. This is now a full rebuild.

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Sad but at least happy we seemed to get a good return

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JD's salary this year was 11mil, JUp 22, Jv 28. If they covered 1M for Upton and 10M for JV that still puts them $50 million up (down?). That moves them out of any lux  tax worries I guess....

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3 minutes ago, Nastradamus said:

Yah, I don't know what the angle is there. This is now a full rebuild.

and Miguel is learning there there is a down side to signing a 'forever' contract. Talk about a fish out of water next season....

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morosi alluded to this, but it would have been tough for a lot of tigers fans, including myself, to see JV pitching as well as he is for a team that's going nowhere.

i think i mentioned it before, but watching him pitch in the post-season this year for the astros is better than watching him finish out the season with detroit, waiting to be traded in the off-season.

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6 minutes ago, Nastradamus said:

Rebuild could go pretty quickly if a few things go our way. Great to see us get a haul like this for Verlander without eating too much salary either way.

Like Machievelli said, when an effective leader knows something painful has to be done, do it all at once so people start getting over it as soon as possible. 

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So basically two defensive specialist prospects and a guy we hope will become Doug Fister someday.

Uh huh.

2018 slogan: we suck harder.

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Well, this certainly is a rebuild. As for those who want the team sold, it probably  will be when Mario I passes, if not sooner.

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Time to get some Astros gear, I'm jumping on their bandwagon for the rest of the season. 

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2 minutes ago, sabretooth said:

So basically two defensive specialist prospects and a guy we hope will become Doug Fister someday.

Uh huh.

2018 slogan: we suck harder.

i'm not sure doug fister is the right comp there sport.

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We have always heard that Mike's family really didn't care all that much about the team and that it was Mike's baby.   I am convinced of that now -  this puppy's for sale.      I don't think I can stomach Dan Gilbert owning anything else in Detroit.   Mark Cuban anyone?   

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Perez is only 19 and is already holding his own at AA.   Most have him as a top 40 prospect in all of baseball and he probably becomes the Tigers number 1 prospect.   If we traded Verlander a month ago I'm not so sure we get a guy close to that quality, plus we got two other guys that will probably be in our top 15.  I think it's a great haul. 

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It is just too traumatic to remember that as recently as the end of 2014 the starting staff included Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello and Ray

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Signed: July 2nd Period, 2014 from Venezuela
Age 19 Height 6’3 Weight 197 Bat/Throw R/R
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command
55/60 40/45 50/55 45/55 40/50

Relevant/Interesting Metrics
Recorded 75 strikeouts, 19 walks in 66.2 innings.

 

Scouting Report
Though he won’t turn 20 until December, Perez has very much grown into his 6-foot-3 frame and is thick and strong bodied. Over the past two-and-a-half years, Perez’s fastball has climbed from the upper 80s and into the mid-90s, sitting 92-94 and touching 96 with sink. By the end of 2016, Perez was showing some feel for running his fastball off the hip of left-handed hitters and back into the zone for unhittable strikes a la vintage Bartolo Colon.

Perez takes a gargantuan stride as he delivers the ball to the plate and at times lands off balance, causing the rest of his delivery to come undone and leading to some noncompetitive pitches. But his arm works well and all of Perez’s amble mass hurdles, full steam, directly at the plate. Scouts are pretty confident Perez will have the control to start at maturity.

He also has a hammer overhand curveball, a viable slider, and a changeup that plays up due to natural deception in Perez’s delivery. There’s a chance for three above-average or better offerings and solid-average command here, making him potential No. 3 starter.

Because the Astros piggyback their minor-league pitchers, some scouts are apprehensive about taking their stuff at face value. Perez, for example, averaged about four-and-a-half innings per appearance in 2016 and had at least six days between each start. The concern is that the stuff plays better in shorter stints than it would for six-plus innings at a time. But even if Perez’s velocity is a bit of a mirage, his curveball feel is not, and his heater has enough sink that it should play even in the low 90s, if that’s where it ends up.

KATOH+ Projection for first six years: 6.6 WAR

 
10. Daz Cameron, OF
Drafted: 1st Round, 2015 from Eagle’s Landing (GA)
Age 20 Height 6’2 Weight 185 Bat/Throw R/R
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
35/45 50/50 30/45 55/55 45/50 50/50

Relevant/Interesting Metrics
Slashed .278/.352/.418 after demotion to NYPL.

Scouting Report
The Astros have had several opportunities to manipulate their draft bonus pool since the current system was put in place, and they successfully moved Cameron back to their supplemental pick at 37 overall, signing him for $4 million in 2015. Cameron was viewed as a potential 1-1 candidate as an underclassman, prompting #SpazForDaz rhetoric online among Philly sports fans who faced the prospect of a rebuilding major-league team for a few years. In reality, Cameron matured sooner than many of his peers did and looked dominant as a sophomore and junior at showcases, but his classmates caught up to him by their draft year and Cameron was viewed as a top-eight to -15 talent on draft day.

Cameron’s tools are modest but well rounded, and he projects to competently play a premium defensive position. He struggled to make contact last year during an aggressive Midwest League assignment, and his swing is being reworked. Scouts are cautiously optimistic about his ability to make necessary adjustments because they believe in his athleticism and bat speed.

Even if he can become a fringe hitter with fringe game power, that combination will play every day in center field. While Daz isn’t a true burner, he’s a 55 runner with good defensive instincts and should be fine in center. His 2016 was a lost year, but it’s too early to dismiss this kind of multi-tool talent. Most prospects fail and have to make adjustments at some point during their careers; Cameron’s moment for this just happened to come in his first pro season. There are people in the industry who prefer prospects to deal with issues like this in the relative obscurity of the low minors rather than have to do it for the first time at the upper levels or in the big-league spotlight the way A.J. Reed and Byron Buxton have.

 
 
20. Jake Rogers, C
Drafted: 3rd Round, 2016 from Tulane
Age 22 Height 6’1 Weight 190 Bat/Throw R/R
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
20/30 45/50 20/40 30/30 50/70 60/60

Relevant/Interesting Metrics
Hit .233 over career at Tulane, but .261 as junior and .274 on Cape.

Scouting Report
Rogers is the best defensive catching prospect I’ve ever seen in person, with soft hands, excellent mobility and ball-blocking ability, a quick release, and above-average pure arm strength that plays up because of how quickly he gets rid of the ball. He’s almost assuredly going to be some kind of big leaguer just by virtue of his defense. His bat is really light, though, and potentially unplayable in an everyday capacity. He does hit the ball in the air regularly, so there’s a chance he runs into enough power to start, but I don’t see enough bat speed for Rogers to do much damage. He projects as a high-probability backup.

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4 minutes ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

i'm not sure doug fister is the right comp there sport.

 The Scouting Report indicated an upside of a number three with a mid-90s fastball and a mix of pitches including a good down curve; sounded like Doug Fister to me.

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And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

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2 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

We have always heard that Mike's family really didn't care all that much about the team and that it was Mike's baby.   I am convinced of that now -  this puppy's for sale.      I don't think I can stomach Dan Gilbert owning anything else in Detroit.   Mark Cuban anyone?   

Maybe the DeVos family.

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Just now, sabretooth said:

 The Scouting Report indicated an upside of a number three with a mid-90s fastball and a mix of pitches including a good down curve; sounded like Doug Fister to me.

Doug Fister wishes he had a mid-90s fastball just once. just once.

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That's not an insult, sounds like he's a real nice prospect; but he ain't Justin Verlander.... we are definitely going to be a real ****y team for 2018 and probably 2019 as well.  

Anybody's guess after that, but if Chris Ilitch isn't going to spend money we're going to continue to suck after 2019 too, with Perez or without him.

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Just now, HeyAbbott said:

Maybe the DeVos family.

Too busy fighting wars for profit.  

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

It is just too traumatic to remember that as recently as the end of 2014 the starting staff included Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello and Ray

And Price.   From 2011-2016 there were 5 guys that won AL Cy young awards and that staff had 4 of them.  Crazy. 

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3 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

And Price.   From 2011-2016 there were 5 guys that won AL Cy young awards and that staff had 4 of them.  Crazy. 

except that I count the moves starting from not signing Max, and signing Price as the beginning of a string of mostly bad decisions that each destroyed roster value in pursuit of a short term play.

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2 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Too busy fighting wars for profit.  

Betsy may be busy, but the rest of the family is not.

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I guess the deal also includes a PTBNL or cash considerations for the Astros. 

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This really hurts... Verlander was one of my favorite all-time Tigers and I hoped he would have been with them his whole career. I don't think I trust Avila to do a rebuild - but I'm hoping he proves me wrong.

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