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13 minutes ago, socaltiger said:

I doubt any team evaluated JD for more than the rental period.

They absolutely would. If they want him this year, they will want him next year as well. Also, it's easier to give up top prospects for a player who will be around more than a couple months. 

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1 hour ago, pyrotigers said:

The team is not going to be good unless they keep spending a lot of money, and if the owners don't want to spend money they should sell the team. Owning a sports franchise is a vanity project for the super rich, not a company that should be run to make the highest possible profit. It's bad enough the public are funding the pizza palace and giving the guy tons of tax breaks. They make billions of dollars selling mediocre at best pizzas every year.

Mr. I did it for years, and he's going to be remembered as an all time great owner. The kids can either follow in his footsteps and start paying for players like JD, or get out. 

What do you think is the more likely scenario? Will the kids sell up?

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28 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Young and cheap. At least those are the indications I get. JD was a once in a lifetime deal. We got him off of waivers and he hit nearly 100 homers in less than 3 seasons. And we got 3 players for him. Hopefully one or two of them work out for us.

The best outcome we can reasonably hope for is that one of these guys averages two wins a year for his controlled seasons. That might be somewhat of a long shot, but that would make the trade a big win.

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18 minutes ago, Yoda said:

They absolutely would. If they want him this year, they will want him next year as well. Also, it's easier to give up top prospects for a player who will be around more than a couple months. 

The Backs are actually in pretty good shape to sign J.D. for a long term contract if they want him. They have only three guys signed for more than $10MM next year (Greinke at $34MM, Tomas at $13.5MM, Goldschmidt at an insanely reasonable $11MM). Pollock is having a rough year so he might not crack $10MM next year; Shelby Miller is out until mid-18 after TJ surgery so he won't get paid this time around; and Corbin's probably not going to get a $6MM raise for his season. I'd think the chances J.D. gets a solid offer from Arizona are probably pretty good, unless something's been said about it I haven't heard.

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25 minutes ago, FloridaTigers said:

What do you think is the more likely scenario? Will the kids sell up?

I think the most likely scenario is that they'll keep owning the team because that's what Dad would have wanted, but not care nearly as much about it as he did. Hope that is not the case though.

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33 minutes ago, Yoda said:

They absolutely would. If they want him this year, they will want him next year as well. Also, it's easier to give up top prospects for a player who will be around more than a couple months. 

But having him this year doesn't have anything to do with next year and beyond. He's a mercenary.

No matter how you at it, a team is getting two months of JD and that is what they paid for. 

Maybe if there was another year left in his deal there would be the potential for a "deal" to lock him up before free agency. 

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23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The Backs are actually in pretty good shape to sign J.D. for a long term contract if they want him. They have only three guys signed for more than $10MM next year (Greinke at $34MM, Tomas at $13.5MM, Goldschmidt at an insanely reasonable $11MM). Pollock is having a rough year so he might not crack $10MM next year; Shelby Miller is out until mid-18 after TJ surgery so he won't get paid this time around; and Corbin's probably not going to get a $6MM raise for his season. I'd think the chances J.D. gets a solid offer from Arizona are probably pretty good, unless something's been said about it I haven't heard.

I don't see how JD would fit into their plans when they have Tomas and peralta in the corners. 

I would actually be surprised if he signs with an NL team at all given his defensive shortcomings. 

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

I don't see how JD would fit into their plans when they have Tomas and peralta in the corners. 

I would actually be surprised if he signs with an NL team at all given his defensive shortcomings. 

JD's market is going to run into some of the same headwinds that we saw when we were marketing him for the last 8 months. There's been a resurgence of power hitting in the game which diminishes his strongest attribute, and there just aren't a bunch of contenders with a need for a power hitting corner OF.  He will get a good contract from someone, but it may not be the massive contract that many expect, and it could leave the Tigers scratching their heads and wondering if they could have kept him. 

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3 hours ago, Yoda said:

Getting him for nothing has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he made a good trade.

Simply getting better than a 4th round pick for the best available bat is an incredibly low standard. 

Fired for one trade? No. His inability to acquire talent, yes. 

And the money he used signing players. He wasted millions of dollars. If he would have spent that money on players who performed, we may have won. I'm not sure if the owner insisted on any of the signings or if it's all on Avila.

But this trade? Without the money to extend JD, we received 3 players already in a system. Better than a 4th round pick.

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2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

JD is going to be way overpaid in his next contract. Sorry, but he will never be a Tiger again. We're going to go young and cheap.

I don't know.  The lack of activity for him (and other corner outfielders) at the trade deadline and his defensive reputation might make his services not as much of a hot commodity.

Did he turn down an extension previously from the Tigers?  I want to say that he did, but cannot recall any details.

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28 minutes ago, ballmich said:

JD's market is going to run into some of the same headwinds that we saw when we were marketing him for the last 8 months. There's been a resurgence of power hitting in the game which diminishes his strongest attribute, and there just aren't a bunch of contenders with a need for a power hitting corner OF.  He will get a good contract from someone, but it may not be the massive contract that many expect, and it could leave the Tigers scratching their heads and wondering if they could have kept him. 

Well, they could reacquire him.  Doesn't seem very likely, but who knows.

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3 minutes ago, Casimir said:

I don't know.  The lack of activity for him (and other corner outfielders) at the trade deadline and his defensive reputation might make his services not as much of a hot commodity.

Did he turn down an extension previously from the Tigers?  I want to say that he did, but cannot recall any details.

Without JD, were still a deep lineup. At least, until the next player goes.

And I'm not sure if the Tigers ever offered to extend him.

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11 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Does anyone like this trade?

late to the party, not the news. but

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Aaron Robinson is deeply disappointed in this trade.

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4 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Does it matter materially?

No, it doesn't.

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JD leaves game tonight after being hit on the hand. 

Early reports make it sound like he is out for the year. 

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5 hours ago, pyrotigers said:

The team is not going to be good unless they keep spending a lot of money, and if the owners don't want to spend money they should sell the team. Owning a sports franchise is a vanity project for the super rich, not a company that should be run to make the highest possible profit. It's bad enough the public are funding the pizza palace and giving the guy tons of tax breaks. They make billions of dollars selling mediocre at best pizzas every year.

Mr. I did it for years, and he's going to be remembered as an all time great owner. The kids can either follow in his footsteps and start paying for players like JD, or get out. 

I agree with this 100%.  I understand that sports franchises shouldn't be treated as endless financial black holes, but they should not be treated as conventional business either.  

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The lack of competitive races hurt a lot. The NL only has one race (Cubs, Brewers) and the AL has the AL East and AL Central.  And the Indians should pull away in the AL Central. There's so many teams within shot of the AL wild card that none of those teams are really buyers.

I'm somewhat surprised nobody in the AL East took a run at him. JD fits better in the AL b/c he can also DH. In a tight division race, he could make a 1 or 2 game difference. If I was a fan of one of those teams, I'd wonder what they were doing and why they couldn't beat Arizona's offer.

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4 hours ago, sabretooth said:

I agree with this 100%.  I understand that sports franchises shouldn't be treated as endless financial black holes, but they should not be treated as conventional business either.  

That's no way to build a team.  You have to have a strong talent base imo.  Use the system.  Spend more on international players.  Stop getting beat on all the studs from DR and Cuba and Japan.  Do better in the draft.  Get more draft picks.  Have a bigger pool to spend to get extra players in the draft.

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After mulling it over for a while I'm of the opinion we did not get what JD is worth, however we got market value when you consider he is a 3-month rental, & MLB GMs knew the Tigers needed to not let him walk for nothing.  That impedes your negotiating position. I would not be surprised to see someone like Wilson get a similar haul, in spite of the fact JD is far more valuable as a player.

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12 hours ago, ballmich said:

There's been a resurgence of power hitting in the game...

I was thinking about this, as well. 

When you think about the way the ball flies at the major league level and the fact that power is still often the last thing to develop, I actually feel pretty good about Lugo. He seems to have good contact skills and he's athletic. I think that the key to a Tigers youth movement may be taking advantage of the availability of guys just like him. I'd like to see him walk a bit more, though.

 

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4 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

That's no way to build a team.  You have to have a strong talent base imo.  Use the system.  Spend more on international players.  Stop getting beat on all the studs from DR and Cuba and Japan.  Do better in the draft.  Get more draft picks.  Have a bigger pool to spend to get extra players in the draft.

How on earth do you do this without spending a ton of money? Why do you think they get beat on the studs from DR, Cuba, and Japan? Because they don't pay to sign them.

I'm not saying that they should only spend money on big time free agents, but with the farm system completely barren if they go into a big cost cutting period the team is going to suck for years.

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Yeah, you still need to spend money. It's not that difficult to set a budget and project out arb raises and know how much you have to spend each year. You just need to spend the money wisely. 

They probably shouldn't have spent big a couple offseasons ago, but I have a feeling that Mike wanted to. Had Zimmermann and Lowe worked out, it might have worked. It almost worked despite getting nothing from them. But it was still risky. 

That said, there is nothing wrong with taking a year off from signing free agents and going with internal options if you have  them. 

I'm still not sure the best course of action for 2018. Part of me says to get rid of Kinsler or Iglesias and plug in machado. And assuming upton opts in, fill the other two outfield spots with a combination of Mahtook, JaCoby, Presley, Adduci, and Stewart. Just take our lumps and see how the younger guys do, and see what happens with the pitchers and prospects. 

Then head into 2019 with a good deal of budget room and spend to address needs if it makes sense. 

Maybe we get lucky. Maybe Lugo has a good 2018 and can step into 3b and nick can shift to 1B/DH. Maybe Stewart hits enough to live with his defense. Maybe JaCoby hits and defends well enough. Maybe Fulmer, Norris, Boyd, burrows, and funkhouser pitch well enough in aggregate to fill out a rotation. Maybe Zimmermann learns how to pitch like a #4. 

Regardless, at some point they will be in position to spend again and if they are going to become a great team again they are going to have to spend. 

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Interesting interview with JP Morosi on the ticket this morning. Of course he was talking about the trade. Basically he said, we can't really judge this trade in regard to if Avila should have waited it out or if he could have gotten more for JD unti lafter the deadline on August 1st. If when everything is said and done and there were additional trades made for lesser players that yielded more, then to criticize this trade might be fair, but as it stands now, unfortunately, when AA says the market just wasn't there for JD that was probably the case.

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I will be surprised if a lesser guy goes for more than JD did. But it also depends on position and need from the contending teams. If KC decided to trade Cain, they might get more, but Cain is a different type of player and may fill a need that JD couldn't fill. Moustakas and hosmer would be similar. I could see DD giving up more for moose than we got for JD. 

 

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