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Vmart will be 39 and he has the knees of a 75 yo.  He's done.  If he doesnt retire on his own, they need to dump him.  No reason to delay Candelario another year just to let vmart's rotting corpse ride off into the sunset on a terrible team.  Might as well let the young players get ML experience. 

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10 minutes ago, MDMAzing said:

Vmart will be 39 and he has the knees of a 75 yo.  He's done.  If he doesnt retire on his own, they need to dump him.  No reason to delay Candelario another year just to let vmart's rotting corpse ride off into the sunset on a terrible team.  Might as well let the young players get ML experience. 

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After watching the extent of which Tiger management has tried to extract any return on Sanchez's contract does anyone really believe they will just flush Victor's 18 million ??? He will be our DH next year unless he retires and why would he for the same reason ?

The embarrassment will be if Nick C. is the starting third basemen next year. He need to try rightfield or better yet be traded and it does not matter if Candeleria is ready or not. Nick can not play third. Period. To continue that is bad management on all levels .

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Watch Victor find the fountain of youth and hit fairly well next year and the Tigers give him another extension.

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29 minutes ago, socaltiger said:

After watching the extent of which Tiger management has tried to extract any return on Sanchez's contract does anyone really believe they will just flush Victor's 18 million ??? He will be our DH next year unless he retires and why would he for the same reason ?

The embarrassment will be if Nick C. is the starting third basemen next year. He need to try rightfield or better yet be traded and it does not matter if Candeleria is ready or not. Nick can not play third. Period. To continue that is bad management on all levels .

I think there is a good difference between needing as many pitching arms as possible this season and needing playing time for Candelario, Castellanos, and Cabrera next season.  There was potential (OK, a faint glimmer of desperate hope) for Sanchez to pitch if needed because there was nothing else ready to step in if needed, and he volunteered to head down to Toledo to try to make it work.  There's not a fit for MartinezV unless one of the other 3 find their way out of 3B/1B/DH.  He ain't going to go down to Toledo to work on his catching skills to fit the roster better (not that his knees wouldn't handle it if he wanted to give it a try).

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20 minutes ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

I need clarification on who's getting embarrassed in these scenarios.

Is it the MTS poster, Tiger fans in general, the org, or the player?

You should be embarrassed to ask that question.  

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wait...no...it can't be....I'm the one that supposed to be embarrassed? I....I never knew.

Oh lord, I see all the signs now, all ignored. All the internet sports message board posters....talking about who should be embarrassed.....I thought they were just....concern trolling....BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ME!!!!!!

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

I think there is a good difference between needing as many pitching arms as possible this season and needing playing time for Candelario, Castellanos, and Cabrera next season.  There was potential (OK, a faint glimmer of desperate hope) for Sanchez to pitch if needed because there was nothing else ready to step in if needed, and he volunteered to head down to Toledo to try to make it work.  There's not a fit for MartinezV unless one of the other 3 find their way out of 3B/1B/DH.  He ain't going to go down to Toledo to work on his catching skills to fit the roster better (not that his knees wouldn't handle it if he wanted to give it a try).

Yes, with Sanchez, who was he blocking? He wasn't in the rotation to start. He was pitching mop up innings. Someone has to do that. And he had the ability to step into the rotation if necessary, which it was. I see no valid criticism at this point for keeping Sanchez. 

Keeping Victor is a different story. He's blocking Jeimer now, but the season is almost over and it's not hurting is to have him in Toledo. We don't know what will happen this offseason. If nick is still around and not an option for outfield work, then a move to cut Victor will be considered. 

Teams cut bait on contracts all the time. The Red Sox cut panda. The Tigers cut Sheffield. Avila just cut pelfrey and Lowe and ate a combined 14 million or whatever it was. 

Baseball teams understand the concept of sunk cost. But the cost only becomes sunk once the spot being occupied is needed. 

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3 hours ago, Shelton said:

It's fine to have a negative view on Jeimer. He's unproven in MLB right now, so it's not easy to say how well he would do. 

But he does have a 860 ops in aaa this year. Yeah it's the pcl but still. His MLB projection from zips is something like a 740 ops. That's better than Victor right now. Victor could rebound but he might not. Jeimer could do better or worse than his projection. 

There is a good chance that Jeimer is a better hitter than Victor. He's likely a better fielder than Nick. You could improve the team by shifting nick to DH and putting Jeimer at third. Offense and defense both improve. 

Victor is going to need to show that he can hit next year. I'm fine with starting off with him as long as he has a short leash. 

For what it's worth Candalerio at AAA this year has a significantly better OPS at home (Iowa) than on the road: .936 vs .722. The Iowa Cubs park is considered a pretty neutral park on the off/def scale as well. So I'm not too worried about the PCL factor here. 

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4 minutes ago, SeattleMike said:

For what it's worth Candalerio at AAA this year has a significantly better OPS at home (Iowa) than on the road: .936 vs .722. The Iowa Cubs park is considered a pretty neutral park on the off/def scale as well. So I'm not too worried about the PCL factor here. 

I'm not either. I was really just acknowledging ballmich's previous comment. He's mentioned it multiple times with respect to Jeimer. 

Even if PCL offensive numbers are a bit higher across the lard, it's not that big of a deal. It's not like every prospect that played in the PCL needed to have a .900+ ops to be able to hit in the majors. 

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I think the Jay Bruce trade puts everything into perspective now.  Clearly, there was little/no market for a power hitting OF.  The Indians only traded for Bruce under duress, when Brantley went down, and they gave up nothing to get him.  He also has 29 HR's and 79 RBI's on the season.

I feel a lot better about what we received in return for JD--we just picked a lousy year to have an expiring contract on our RF.

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Power hitting outfielders are undervalued and the Tigers should sign every single one of them this offseason

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2 minutes ago, pyrotigers said:

Power hitting outfielders are undervalued and the Tigers should sign every single one of them this offseason

The new market inefficiency to exploit?

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1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

I think the Jay Bruce trade puts everything into perspective now.  Clearly, there was little/no market for a power hitting OF.  The Indians only traded for Bruce under duress, when Brantley went down, and they gave up nothing to get him.  He also has 29 HR's and 79 RBI's on the season.

I feel a lot better about what we received in return for JD--we just picked a lousy year to have an expiring contract on our RF.

never hope for injuries, but timing is everything - the Cubs have lost Contreras, their hottest hitter, to a hamstring tear. Alex is now their starting catcher. if this happens a month earlier, what more could the Tigers have got for Wilson/Avila? Oh well

until Brantley was injured, the Mets literally could not give Bruce (or Granderson) away for nothing. All they wanted was some salary relief and no one would bite.

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2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

never hope for injuries, but timing is everything - the Cubs have lost Contreras, their hottest hitter, to a hamstring tear. Alex is now their starting catcher. if this happens a month earlier, what more could the Tigers have got for Wilson/Avila? Oh well

Sounds like the Cubs desperately need McCan't then.  I hope that Beck is reporting that McCan't is packing up his locker any minute. 

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Did Kinsler pass waivers or not?

I'm assuming he did, but don't see it anywhere. Also... I don't want to assume anything...

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On 8/9/2017 at 5:42 PM, Shelton said:

Keeping Victor is a different story. He's blocking Jeimer now, but the season is almost over and it's not hurting is to have him in Toledo. We don't know what will happen this offseason. If nick is still around and not an option for outfield work, then a move to cut Victor will be considered. 

 

If I were playing GM, in the off season I try to trade Castellanos for an OF. the reasons Castellanos might not bring much are documented, but so are the reasons an OF may not cost much! If that happens, you can ride or cut Victor depending on who else is there to push him out of his spot. If they don't move Nick, then there are too many moving pieces between 3rd, OF and DH to make any meaningful prediction. They will just have to see who performs their way onto the roster.

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15 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

If I were playing GM, in the off season I try to trade Castellanos for an OF. the reasons Castellanos might not bring much are documented, but so are the reasons an OF may not cost much! If that happens, you can ride or cut Victor depending on who else is there to push him out of his spot. If they don't move Nick, then there are too many moving pieces between 3rd, OF and DH to make any meaningful prediction. They will just have to see who performs their way onto the roster.

Yes.  I imagine someone has an OF (preferably a young CF) to exchange for Castellanos.

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5 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Yes.  I imagine someone has an OF (preferably a young CF) to exchange for Castellanos.

I don't think Nick has a ton of value right now. 

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8 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

I don't think Nick has a ton of value right now. 

If the trade deadline is any barometer, OFs don't have a ton of value right now.  So there's probably a match to be made.

I don't value Castellanos as an entity going forward with the Tigers because Candelario can take over 3B and Cabrera has 1B/DH through the end of his contract.  I don't see Castellanos as anymore than a DH/1B.  I think ideally a team doesn't lock in a DH only unless it is a generational type of hitter (Edgar Martinez, David Ortiz, etc).  Cabrera might be there sooner rather than later.  I think the better way to use the DH is to use it as a partial day off for a regular position player, especially in this age of 13 or 12 position players on a daily basis.

Now, if I don't think he's useful as a defender at the corner IF spots, why do I think another team would?  It could very well just be a difference of opinion.  It could be a team doesn't value defense quite as much.  It could be a team doesn't have any better options right now or in the foreseeable future, so why not take the 25 year old's bat and see if he can improve going into what should be his prime years?

I realize a deal for him isn't going to bring back a top 50 prospect.  I have no illusion of that happening.  But if he could bring back a useful defense first everyday CF that is capable of helping out with run prevention that might be flawed offensively (and the assumption is that probably would be the case), or at least a platoon lefty hitting OF, I think they need to consider it.

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The Angels, for instance, are employing 34 year old Yunel Escobar as its current 3B through the end of this week.  Do they resign him?  Do they have an incumbent to take over?  Do they go the FA route?  They've also been running a -2.4 WAA mix of crap over at 1B this season.  Maybe they don't see Castellanos as the 3B but can afford to try him over at 1B, or are the married to the idea that CJ Cron is going to maintain some of his earlier career numbers?

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