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41 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

While he didn't reject it, he wasn't happy about it. But, as a 27 year old (or whatever 30ish he was) I could get not wanting to move to first. 

It's a bit different when you are still good at your position and the team wants to make room for a young kid coming up. I could see being hesitant. Ian has his career to think about too. I also think a move from second to third for a couple months is less significant than a move to first or the outfield for the foreseeable future. 

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3 minutes ago, Shelton said:

It's a bit different when you are still good at your position and the team wants to make room for a young kid coming up. I could see being hesitant. Ian has his career to think about too. I also think a move from second to third for a couple months is less significant than a move to first or the outfield for the foreseeable future. 

Oh I agree. I was just trying to add some more info to the Rangers move issue. He was young and didn't want to move, but would do it if told. Different now that he's 35. 

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Hmmm....it may have just gotten a even more difficult to move JV.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-rangers-gauging-yu-darvish-packages-prior-trade-deadline-055417112.html

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The Texas Rangers have started reaching out to teams potentially interested in acquiring star pitcher Yu Darvish, gathering information on what sort of return they could receive if they decide to trade him before the July 31 deadline, major league sources told Yahoo Sports on Thursday.

 

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15 minutes ago, rhino said:

Hmmm....it may have just gotten a even more difficult to move JV.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-rangers-gauging-yu-darvish-packages-prior-trade-deadline-055417112.html

 

Ah, but he's finally found his mechanics, so he'll be pitching like an ace again the final months:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2017/07/21/justin-verlander-detroit-tigers-mvp-video/498041001/

 

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4 minutes ago, socaltiger said:

Hard to believe Verlander approves a trade to the Brewers.

Agree. I could see him accepting a trade almost anywhere else, though.

even then, if the Tigers eat a bunch of his salary to make him tradeable, then he becomes tradeable down the line, too. So if whatever team he goes to becomes a non contender, it's likely he will end up traded again to a contender down the line. 

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I could see Verlander passing through waivers, so he could be traded in August.

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I wonder if the Tigers would be better off just hanging onto Verlander this year and trading him in the offseason.  If he truly has "found his mechanics"(he has looked better the last couple starts) maybe he could put together a strong finish. 

If he does, and say finishes with an ERA in the mid to upper 3s, 2/56 isn't all that bad, especially factoring in the history of Verlander and the amount of innings he gives you.

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1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

I wonder if the Tigers would be better off just hanging onto Verlander this year and trading him in the offseason.  If he truly has "found his mechanics"(he has looked better the last couple starts) maybe he could put together a strong finish. 

If he does, and say finishes with an ERA in the mid to upper 3s, 2/56 isn't all that bad, especially factoring in the history of Verlander and the amount of innings he gives you.

If he does get traded, I think it would be during the off-season.  I think it will be too complicated to move him in a deadline deal and maybe not beneficial to the Tigers.    

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19 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I wonder if the Tigers would be better off just hanging onto Verlander this year and trading him in the offseason.  If he truly has "found his mechanics"(he has looked better the last couple starts) maybe he could put together a strong finish. 

If he does, and say finishes with an ERA in the mid to upper 3s, 2/56 isn't all that bad, especially factoring in the history of Verlander and the amount of innings he gives you.

Honestly, I would like to move him if we could some nice prospects, but I wouldn't be all that upset if we keep him for the next three years. His contract isn't really that out of line.

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I'm really tired of this lazy narrative from the national pundits and reporters who are saying what a bad year Verlander is having. No, he's not having a bad year. He's 22nd in the American League in ERA, which means basically there's one starting pitcher on every team (two on a few) with a better ERA than him and four starting pitchers on most AL teams with worse ERAs. He's had three AWFUL games and they skewed a lot of his numbers. Yes, he's walking more than he did last year and he's not pitching as deep, and those are real issues. But he's not been bad by any stretch of the imagination.
 

I also would have to say that if we can get the right deal for him, why not pay up to half of his salary or something like that? If we don't trade him we have to pay all of it. So at some point, paying anything less than all of it is a net win for the organization if we are trying to save money. And if we can get some controllable young talent too, it's a good risk to take.

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As far as these Wilson rumors are concerned, I'm holding out for Brinson from the Brewers or they're not getting him, Fisher from the Astros or they're not getting him. That's not outrageous, and we have no real urgency to move him, anyway. We can still trade him int he winter or next deadline if we decide to. Considering what they Cubs gave up for Quintana, we absolutely should be looking for the top prospects we can find in the organizations that want him.

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Yeah if it was me I would definitely be playing hardball when it comes to trading Wilson, I wouldn't settle for anything because we really have no sense of urgency to trade him. 

Unless you feel like Wilson could crap the bed next year(which is a possibility of course) there's no reason to trade him now, you could get just as much a year from now as you can at this point, **** you maybe better off a year from now because it gives him another year to add to his track record.   If he is still dominant a year from now we could probably name our price on him and team(s) would gladly pay for it. 

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3 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

I could see Verlander passing through waivers, so he could be traded in August.

I am not so sure he passes through waivers. I could easily see a team claiming him, because there is no way the tigers just let him go for nothing, not when they still will have opportunities to trade him down the line. So there is no risk in claiming him, and you therefore would prevent any other team from getting him. And the claiming team can still try to trade for him.

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7 hours ago, kdog said:

Nightengale:

The Milwaukee #Brewers , hanging on for dear life in the NL Central, have been aggressive in talks with #Tigers for veteran Justin Wilson.

A desperate team wanting some of the Tiger assets is a good thing.

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8 minutes ago, Casimir said:

A desperate team wanting some of the Tiger assets is a good thing.

I don't see him dropping the no-trade for Milwaukee.............

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Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

I don't see him dropping the no-trade for Milwaukee.............

He was talking about J Will.

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Big move: Mark Lowe to the White Sox. Wonder if he's turned things arou--

 

Lowe owns a 6.23 ERA, 1.77 WHIP and 37/20 K/BB ratio across 39 innings at Triple-A Tacoma.

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For those wondering what tanking looks like look no further than adding Lowe to your big league roster.

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I think the Tigers should sell on Verlander when he's pitching better all around.  Don't sell low.

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13 hours ago, VaBengal said:

As far as these Wilson rumors are concerned, I'm holding out for Brinson from the Brewers or they're not getting him, Fisher from the Astros or they're not getting him. That's not outrageous, and we have no real urgency to move him, anyway. We can still trade him int he winter or next deadline if we decide to. Considering what they Cubs gave up for Quintana, we absolutely should be looking for the top prospects we can find in the organizations that want him.

IMHO, relief P's are so up-down, injuries, etc.... IF the Tigs can get one of the things they are looking for, seems a LHB that can play OF/CF is there, then they might want to move with it... Seems Brinson is asking too high, More like TClark or BPhillips (we do NOT have anyone like this in our system). Maybe Fischer if the Stros bite... Next year he may not be as good, has only 1/2 year left and everyone one wants 'controllable yrs/cheap' it seems as well.

Also there may be something to the pairing with JV... Stros and LAD might want that and then we aim higher with perhaps 1-2 more good prospects coming back depending on JV salary situation... BTW, I am not saying trade JV at all, but IF someone thinks he (they) can help them WIN NOW, by all means shoot for the moon.

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21 hours ago, tiger337 said:

I would be more interested in seeing Verlander retire as a Tiger since he has always been a Tiger.  I have loved following Cabrera's career, but am less attached.  I think I am going to dislike watching the rest of Cabrera's career and would actually like to see him traded (but nobody will take the contract).  

This is exactly the way I feel about this.  As much as I've loved watching Miggy, I don't feel as attached to him.  I think I'm like a lot of morons here who don't want JV to go, but we want the team to be competitive in the years to come.  

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21 minutes ago, djhutch said:

This is exactly the way I feel about this.  As much as I've loved watching Miggy, I don't feel as attached to him.  I think I'm like a lot of morons here who don't want JV to go, but we want the team to be competitive in the years to come.  

How do you not feel attached to Miggy? He's been here since 08, was a major part of the run, won a triple crown and like a bajillion batting titles (actual figure may be lower). 

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28 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

How do you not feel attached to Miggy? He's been here since 08, was a major part of the run, won a triple crown and like a bajillion batting titles (actual figure may be lower). 

The language barrier is a pretty big difference for how fans relate to him vs JV. Cabrera has to work pretty hard to make himself understood in English, and even given the facility his has, he is relatively seldom available (or sought?) in post game interviews. His social media posting is also in Spanish. We almost see more about Miguel in the form of translations of interviews he gives Venezuelan media than in our own media.

I also get the impression that with Miguel there is a little bit of intentional stubborness about it. I can't find it but I think I've heard him complain that the US baseball media should have more Spanish speakers in it.

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