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I was thinking about a potential verlander trade, and I'm beginning to think the Tigers could do very well in a trade for him if they agree to eat something like 20 million.

i think a team will be willing to give up a few good pieces, because it's not like they couldn't turn around and trade him in the offseason or at the next deadline and get good pieces back. 

For 1.5 years of Price, we traded a top 100 prospect and smyly and Ajax. And then got back Norris and Boyd and Labourt a year later. Sure, we gave up more than we got back, but we got a year of Price out of it.

the verlander thing is by far the most interesting aspect of this deadline to me, and it has the potential to be pretty frustrating. 

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8 hours ago, Scottwood said:

I have a hunch that Illitch will see that the team will be below .500 next year anyway and won't see the point in paying upwards of $200 million for that and will look to substantially cut back on salary the next few years as they re-stock their farm system with high draft picks and trading their veterans. Miggy, V Mart and Zimmermann are untradeable, but I think they'll be the only big money guys on the team next year. Upton will opt out, they'll cut Sanchez and trade Kinsler and eat enough of JV's contract to deal him by the off season.

They'll deal Justin Wilson too. Maybe they'll deal Iglesias b/c he's basically plateaued. I think they'll hang onto Castellanos in hopes he develops more power and improves his value.

I agree with you about Cabrera, MartinezV, and Zimmermann.  I think maybe Cabrera could be moved if he finishes the season on fire and a younger American League team decides to make a splash this offseason, but that's still kind of doubtful.

They tried to move Kinsler and he wanted an extension before agreeing to the deal.  So that might be a sticking point in moving him.  They could just buy him out for $5M after this season.  The team option for 2018, if picked up, is $12M.

Iglesias is arbitration eligible next season and a free agent after 2018.  I can't imagine he'll get a big bump for next season.  Whether or not a team finds him valuable, I don't know.  If Kinsler is gone, I think its likely Iglesias remains.

Castellanos will be an interesting case.  If Avila can get enough turnover on the roster within a reasonably close window to where the team has more 2 way type players, Castellanos' fielding issues might not be as big of a concern.  I think.

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Re: Kinsler

Taking in to account the Dodgers success so far this season and their likelihood of an extended post season run I wonder if Kinsler regrets his demand of an extension that nixed the trade and left him mired in this mess that is the 2017 season of the Tigers. 

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1 hour ago, rhino said:

Re: Kinsler

Taking in to account the Dodgers success so far this season and their likelihood of an extended post season run I wonder if Kinsler regrets his demand of an extension that nixed the trade and left him mired in this mess that is the 2017 season of the Tigers. 

My sense on the Dodgers thing is that they were talking, but there was never anything close enough to where anything was presented to Ian to veto or not. 

If they had been able to come to an agreement, I think the dodgers and tigers would have called his bluff. 

While it made sense for the dodgers to try to add a second baseman, I don't think they were interested in giving up all that much. I think that's the same reason the twins didn't trade dozier to them. 

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A Cleveland fan informs me that he heard of the MartinezJD to Cleveland rumors.  He wasn't sure what they'd do with MartinezJD once Chisenall returned from the DL.  Since Chisenhall is a better defender (agree), has a higher batting average (false and unimportant), and leads Cleveland in RBI (ahead of two others by 1, another by 2, and another by 6, and unimportant anyway).  MartinezJD probably isn't even a top 30 hitter in the league.

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

I agree with you about Cabrera, MartinezV, and Zimmermann.  I think maybe Cabrera could be moved if he finishes the season on fire and a younger American League team decides to make a splash this offseason, but that's still kind of doubtful.

They tried to move Kinsler and he wanted an extension before agreeing to the deal.  So that might be a sticking point in moving him.  They could just buy him out for $5M after this season.  The team option for 2018, if picked up, is $12M.

Iglesias is arbitration eligible next season and a free agent after 2018.  I can't imagine he'll get a big bump for next season.  Whether or not a team finds him valuable, I don't know.  If Kinsler is gone, I think its likely Iglesias remains.

Castellanos will be an interesting case.  If Avila can get enough turnover on the roster within a reasonably close window to where the team has more 2 way type players, Castellanos' fielding issues might not be as big of a concern.  I think.

Lots of ways this could go. I suspect that only one of Kinsler and Iglesias will be on the team next year. I think Al would like to get machado into a starting spot. 

With castellanos it's all about his bat and whether another team would give up much for him. 

He has shown flashes of great hitting, and he's so young. If there is one guy we try to keep through all of this where we have a choice, I think it's him. But he needs to hit, whether he is a below average fielding third baseman, a first baseman, or DH. His position doesn't really matter from a value standpoint. I think nick is a guy that the team may extend pretty soon to try to get a discount. 

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5 minutes ago, Casimir said:

A Cleveland fan informs me that he heard of the MartinezJD to Cleveland rumors.  He wasn't sure what they'd do with MartinezJD once Chisenall returned from the DL.  Since Chisenhall is a better defender (agree), has a higher batting average (false and unimportant), and leads Cleveland in RBI (ahead of two others by 1, another by 2, and another by 6, and unimportant anyway).  MartinezJD probably isn't even a top 30 hitter in the league.

just like yankee fan at work telling me Judge is better than Trout

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Get this, my team's player is better than yours, and further, your team stinks!!!!

I'm talking about the White Sox though so I'm actually right

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I don't understand the need to trade Castellanos?  He's young, inexpensive and isn't blocking anyone.  Is he perfect?  no, but he's not our problem.  I still think he'll develop into a good enough hitter that you live with his defense until you can move him to 1B.

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2 hours ago, Casimir said:

It is quite odd to see the Brewers as a suitor for Verlander.

remember the big splash they made when they traded for Sabathia?  Every 10 years or so they compete and "go for it."

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Ken Rosenthal invented a trade possibility. The Tigers would trade Kinsler to Boston and he would then convert to a 3rd baseman.

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15 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I don't understand the need to trade Castellanos?  He's young, inexpensive and isn't blocking anyone.  Is he perfect?  no, but he's not our problem.  I still think he'll develop into a good enough hitter that you live with his defense until you can move him to 1B.

I don't think there is a need to trade him. He's definitely not blocking anyone. But he is going to start getting more expensive. But I don't think money is a big factor right now. It's about building a team that can compete in the future. If a trade is out there that could make you better in a couple years, then consider it. But I think he's young enough and has shown enough potential that he could be an important piece once the team gets better. 

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1 minute ago, kdog said:

Ken Rosenthal invented a trade possibility. The Tigers would trade Kinsler to Boston and he would then convert to a 3rd baseman.

It's not a terrible idea. Polanco had no trouble moving to third. Kinsler probably has the arm strength to make it work. And he is getting a bit older so if range is decreasing a move to third could work. 

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The Marlins will have a new ownership group and will need to make a splash...what better way to do that in Southern Florida than with a "homecoming" for the great Miguel Cabrera?

So far as Upton goes...if we can dump enough talent to make him think the 2018 Tigers will look like the 2003 Tigers, maybe he'll bail

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43 minutes ago, kdog said:

Ken Rosenthal invented a trade possibility. The Tigers would trade Kinsler to Boston and he would then convert to a 3rd baseman.

I have a vague remembrance of Texas trying to move Kinsler to a different position and his rejecting it.

Edit: I was right about the position switch, but wrong about his rejecting it.  http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news/4321668-ian-kinsler-texas-rangers-position-change-jurickson-profar-fantasy 

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Honestly it is crazy to think that JV will be gone soon.  It is already a done deal in my mind...WAAAAY too much smoke for this not to happen IMO.

I just hope to **** they do not eat a bunch of Miggys deal to move him.  Miggy better retire a Tiger...I am fine if he hits .260 and hits 15 bombs a year from here on out....I doubt he becomes that, but I am fine with it if he does.  A resurgence for him is on the horizon when he becomes the full time DH IMO.

We need some magic to happen with these young guys.  Mahtook has been a nice surprise...hope he can keep up what he is doing.

Really weird to accept this reality right now.  Shall I become Bret now?  Just welcomed my thiiird kid.....will I disenfranchise myself again for 10 years or so and come back refreshed and ready to support the team and get to know them all over again?

Baseball takes up a pretty good chunk of my time and has for the last 15 years or so...is it time for a break....I want to keep following to watch the team change and grow...I am at a cross roads.

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I would be more interested in seeing Verlander retire as a Tiger since he has always been a Tiger.  I have loved following Cabrera's career, but am less attached.  I think I am going to dislike watching the rest of Cabrera's career and would actually like to see him traded (but nobody will take the contract).  

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I said it a few times a month ago or so...I did not want to see either of those guys touched...and yes it was mainly for sentimental reasons, but I do not think either guy is going to fall off a cliff.  JV only has 2 years left.  Miggy has longer and his numbers will more than likely fall more and faster than JV's, but I do not care about either.  I wanted both to retire Tigers...the talk is ALL about JV right now...I am starting to accept the fact that he will be gone.  If they ate a bunch of Miggys contract to move him I would be devastated and would most likely tune out the team for at least a few years.  I would watch a game here and there and follow loosely, but it would be a second thought as opposed to the thing that occupies a portion of my brain all the time now and for the past 15 years or so.

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Nightengale:

The Milwaukee #Brewers , hanging on for dear life in the NL Central, have been aggressive in talks with #Tigers for veteran Justin Wilson.

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49 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I have a vague remembrance of Texas trying to move Kinsler to a different position and his rejecting it.

Edit: I was right about the position switch, but wrong about his rejecting it.  http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news/4321668-ian-kinsler-texas-rangers-position-change-jurickson-profar-fantasy 

While he didn't reject it, he wasn't happy about it. But, as a 27 year old (or whatever 30ish he was) I could get not wanting to move to first. 

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5 minutes ago, kdog said:

Nightengale:

The Milwaukee #Brewers , hanging on for dear life in the NL Central, have been aggressive in talks with #Tigers for veteran Justin Wilson.

One Corey Ray please

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2 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

One Corey Ray please

I was just thinking about Ray being part of a Verlander trade.   I know he is a top prospect, but his offensive track record is not good.  It would be fun to see the responses to such a trade.  I don't think there would be a lot of complaints if they got him for Wilson.   

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Just now, tiger337 said:

I was just thinking about Ray being part of a Verlander trade.   I know he is a top prospect, but his offensive track record is not good.  It would be fun to see the responses to such a trade.  I don't think there would be a lot of complaints if they got him for Wilson.   

I just figured I'm not getting Brinson (though if they want to do that straight up, I'm good). So on to the next one. But, yeah a .230 average with a .313 OBP at A ball is concerning. 

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