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3 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

They should have done this four years  ago, but doing it right before an election where Biden is up by double digits might not be great.  Just let him self destruct.  

Agreed... Unless they have some reason to think he may do very very very very serious irreperable harm.

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2 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Agreed... Unless they have some reason to think he may do very very very very serious irreperable harm.

Well, considering he has the ******* nuclear codes......

He can’t be trusted not to use it.

 

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Trump does not understand but nothing will happen until 2021.

But this is a great way to poke the doofus.

Pelosi is just proposing legislation* to set up a "such other body" per Amendment 25, Section 4.

That was never was set up before.

It would something like "The Select Congressional Commission on Presidential Fitness"

Might provide that annual presidential physical required by 3rd party.

-Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

edit: *the Commission on Presidential Capacity to Discharge the Powers and Duties of Office Act

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1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

Well, considering he has the ******* nuclear codes......

He can’t be trusted not to use it.

 

It might seem far fetched, but, did anyone imagine the current situation 47 months ago?

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

It might seem far fetched, but, did anyone imagine the current situation 47 months ago?

I knew it would be bad, but it’s been worse and scarier than I could have imagined. I at least thought he’d surround him self with people to keep him in check. Those people didn’t last long. 

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I agree that pursuing the 25th amendment would energize the right and give actual credence to charges of a Democrat coup. It’s a bad look for the Democrats if they push for it. 

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

It might seem far fetched, but, did anyone imagine the current situation 47 months ago?

Yes. 

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7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I agree that pursuing the 25th amendment would energize the right and give actual credence to charges of a Democrat coup. It’s a bad look for the Democrats if they push for it. 

If they put it to the public as "this should be in place so we don't end up where we are today again in the future" it will play OK. This is one of those things were you can soft pedal it because the key is to drive Trump even crazier, which it will even if they don't talk about removing him directly.

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12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Yes. 

Oh, you predicted a poor response to a once in a lifetime pandemic, increased racial strife, an incoherent monarch, and talk of the 25th amendment?  OK, let's see the posts from 47 months ago.

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16 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I agree that pursuing the 25th amendment would energize the right and give actual credence to charges of a Democrat coup. It’s a bad look for the Democrats if they push for it. 

This could really screw things up.  It wouldn't surprise me though.  It seems like neither party wants to win elections anymore.  

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2 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Oh, you predicted a poor response to a once in a lifetime pandemic, increased racial strife, an incoherent monarch, and talk of the 25th amendment?  OK, let's see the posts from 47 months ago.

The only one which might have been difficult to predict was Covid.  

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5 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

If they put it to the public as "this should be in place so we don't end up where we are today again in the future" it will play OK. This is one of those things were you can soft pedal it because the key is to drive Trump even crazier, which it will even if they don't talk about removing him directly.

Well, he's starting to lose support from his own side, although to be fair, some of it is out of self preservation.  But, given his current mental imbalance, his recent diagnosis, and the known issues of COVID itself and the side affects of his scripts, it isn't too far fetched to say he should be riding the pine for a while, is it?

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11 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Well, he's starting to lose support from his own side, although to be fair, some of it is out of self preservation.  But, given his current mental imbalance, his recent diagnosis, and the known issues of COVID itself and the side affects of his scripts, it isn't too far fetched to say he should be riding the pine for a while, is it?

Just spitballing here, but I could see this as a jujitsu to neuter him after the election if the Dems take both houses of Congress. Depending on the reading,  you could take the 25thA as a potential end run around the 2/3 impeachment requirement if the Congress by statute (passed by only a majority) can set up a group that can remove a president. Not necessarily a tack I would like to see pursued, but a potential negotiating lever over  something like Barrett.

Of course if the enabling legislation requires presidential signature it probably goes nowhere for now.

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2 hours ago, Casimir said:

It might seem far fetched, but, did anyone imagine the current situation 47 months ago?

Absolutely!

I'm speaking of electing Trump as the president - not the pandemic.

 

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19 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Oh, you predicted a poor response to a once in a lifetime pandemic, increased racial strife, an incoherent monarch, and talk of the 25th amendment?  OK, let's see the posts from 47 months ago.

I don't know about the actual issues we're seeing, but Couga did say that Trump would be so bad he'd be voted out in disgust 4 years ago.  I, on the other hand, still think he could get re-elected.

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16 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Oh, you predicted a poor response to a once in a lifetime pandemic, increased racial strife, an incoherent monarch, and talk of the 25th amendment?  OK, let's see the posts from 47 months ago.

You didn’t say “predict”. You said “imagine”.

And did you mean super specific things that you didn’t enumerate in your post? Because I thought you meant general chaos featuring a lurch toward fascism with the potential for blood in the streets. Yes, I imagined that, posted about it in the Trump presidency thread, and took a fair amount of **** for it, too. I seem to remember the term “Alarmist Non-sense” being used.

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22 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You didn’t say “predict”. You said “imagine”.

And did you mean super specific things that you didn’t enumerate in your post? Because I thought you meant general chaos featuring a lurch toward fascism with the potential for blood in the streets. Yes, I imagined that, posted about it in the Trump presidency thread, and took a fair amount of **** for it, too. I seem to remember the term “Alarmist Non-sense” being used.

I was probably thinking too specifically.  I apologize, that wasn’t a fair response to you.

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42 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Just spitballing here, but I could see this as a jujitsu to neuter him after the election if the Dems take both houses of Congress. Depending on the reading,  you could take the 25thA as a potential end run around the 2/3 impeachment requirement if the Congress by statute (passed by only a majority) can set up a group that can remove a president. Not necessarily a tack I would like to see pursued, but a potential negotiating lever over  something like Barrett.

Of course if the enabling legislation requires presidential signature it probably goes nowhere for now.

Even with 25th Amendment legislation in place setting up a commission with the authorization to remove the president, the Amendment still allows the president to dispute his removal from power.  If he does so, it still requires not just 2/3 of the Senate, but also 2/3 of the House to affirm the removal.  So it remains a higher standard than impeachment if the president contests it.

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4 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Well, considering he has the ******* nuclear codes......

He can’t be trusted not to use it.

 

But how is he different now from any other time in his presidency?

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

I was probably thinking too specifically.  I apologize, that wasn’t a fair response to you.

I appreciate that, man, thanks.

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48 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

But how is he different now from any other time in his presidency?

Well, this is quite literally, Trump on steroids.

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4 hours ago, tigerbomb13 said:

I knew it would be bad, but it’s been worse and scarier than I could have imagined. I at least thought he’d surround him self with people to keep him in check. Those people didn’t last long. 

I knew it would be ******* atrocious. That this jackass would be a complete and total ******* failure and an absolute danger to our Democracy.

But it’s been worse and scarier than I could have imagined. I at least thought those surrounding him might keep him in check... at least somewhat. Those people didn’t last long. 

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8 hours ago, tiger337 said:

But how is he different now from any other time in his presidency?

He’s much more desperate. And, I believe he’s pretty ill.

Did I mention desperate?

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