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Okay, I figured that  this iconic show may deserve it's own thread after 26 years away. 

I don't know if you are old enough to remember when Twin Peaks hit the air in April of 1990 but it was an instant smash and a culture phenomenon and it was unlike anything TV had ever seen with it's weirdness and also it's brutality.   20 minute dream sequences where the characters sounded like they were talking backwards but weren't (the sequences were all shot in reverse, including the speech and when it was replayed in reverse it had a very strange effect).   The fact that they went into the offseason without revealing the killer (and didn't want to ever reveal it).    In the final episode in a "dream" which was supposed to be something like ****'s waiting room, the murder victim tells Agent Dale Cooper (the ultimate good guy) that she'll return in 25 years....................so here we go, a show set last year, 25 years later.   I don't think they actually planned that.  

So I went back and watched both seasons.  8 episodes the first season, and  22 the second.   the first season and half the second season, even with it's over the top weirdness, were brilliant and the show got pretty cheesy about 3 episodes after revealing who Laura Palmer's killer was (which was very controversial at the time).  Watching the last 7 or 8 episodes of the 2nd season it got pretty bad actually. . Like trying to top it's own weirdness.   The cliffhanger (never resolved) was great however.   

Showtime is bringing it back Sunday and if it was kind of brutal on network TV I can only wonder what David Lynch has in store for cable.   This is either going to be great or absolutely terrible.   75% of the original cast is back and there are dozens of high profile cameos, actors that took scale pay to do it - because of it's cultural impact.   TV has changed in quality and tone in 26 years, I don't know if it'll hold up.   

Anyone else into this?   

 

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Apparently not.

I just finished watching this on Blu-ray and like with most things Lynch, it's going to take me awhile to figure out what I think about it.  As a whole, I enjoyed it.  I was not expecting it to be so tightly coupled to both the original series and Fire Walk With Me.  For anyone thinking about jumping into the deep end, I would absolutely recommend that you watch what came before first.

Lynch is notorious for shooting a ton of footage and then cutting it down to movie length (Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart, and Fire Walk With Me all have upwards of 45 minutes of deleted scenes out there), but this is probably the first thing that felt like pure unedited Lynch to me, which is both good and bad.  The pacing is much slower than the original show and a lot of stuff is left unresolved or mysterious.  I'm about to read the 2nd companion book, which may help me better understand some of the events of the last few episodes.

There are a lot of high points for me:

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- Cooper's eventual triumphant return
- The ultimate destruction of Bob, where loads of story threads come together in a culmination
- The musical performances at the Roadhouse
- Norma and Big Ed finally getting married

But there are also some things I just don't understand:

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- Where is Audrey exactly?
- What's the deal with her kid, Richard, who seems to have been the product of Audrey and bad Cooper?
- The final episode -- I think we end up in the past, but why is that the ending our characters deserve?  I was expecting something that reprised the final image of Fire Walk With Me with Cooper & Laura in the White Lodge (I think).

 

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9 hours ago, brideck said:

Apparently not.

I just finished watching this on Blu-ray and like with most things Lynch, it's going to take me awhile to figure out what I think about it.  As a whole, I enjoyed it.  I was not expecting it to be so tightly coupled to both the original series and Fire Walk With Me.  For anyone thinking about jumping into the deep end, I would absolutely recommend that you watch what came before first.

Lynch is notorious for shooting a ton of footage and then cutting it down to movie length (Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart, and Fire Walk With Me all have upwards of 45 minutes of deleted scenes out there), but this is probably the first thing that felt like pure unedited Lynch to me, which is both good and bad.  The pacing is much slower than the original show and a lot of stuff is left unresolved or mysterious.  I'm about to read the 2nd companion book, which may help me better understand some of the events of the last few episodes.

There are a lot of high points for me:

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- Cooper's eventual triumphant return
- The ultimate destruction of Bob, where loads of story threads come together in a culmination
- The musical performances at the Roadhouse
- Norma and Big Ed finally getting married

But there are also some things I just don't understand:

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- Where is Audrey exactly?
- What's the deal with her kid, Richard, who seems to have been the product of Audrey and bad Cooper?
- The final episode -- I think we end up in the past, but why is that the ending our characters deserve?  I was expecting something that reprised the final image of Fire Walk With Me with Cooper & Laura in the White Lodge (I think).

 

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Okay...........it took WAY WAY WAY too long to get the old Cooper back.  That's the reason for watching the show.   This annoyed me greatly.     It was tricky the way they handled BOB with the actor being dead for so long.     I think Audrey is in some sort of coma or rehabilitation center from injuries sustained in the blast.   Took too long to get to her and it sure seemed very odd to end her presence the way they did.      YES, you MUST watch Fire Walk With Me, way more than the original TV series to follow what's going on here.     There was a lot I was invested in  The episode with the Atomic Bomb test was a mind-f**k, but really good.  Forever now the song "My Prayer" from The Platters will give me the creeps.  "This is the water and this is the well.  Drink full and descend.  The horse is the white of the eyes, and dark within."  But I think there are times people are afraid to criticize David Lynch because they think people will think they aren't smart enough to get him.  I don't need every question answered but out of 18 hours, there was probably 5-6 hours of garbage.   And that bit with Michael Cera was painful to watch - it wasn't funny or interesting at all.       Few people have aged as drastically as James Marshall, but I know he's been though a lot in his life.  

 

Got a light? 

 

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11 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:
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Okay...........it took WAY WAY WAY too long to get the old Cooper back.  That's the reason for watching the show.   This annoyed me greatly.     It was tricky the way they handled BOB with the actor being dead for so long.     I think Audrey is in some sort of coma or rehabilitation center from injuries sustained in the blast.   Took too long to get to her and it sure seemed very odd to end her presence the way they did.      YES, you MUST watch Fire Walk With Me, way more than the original TV series to follow what's going on here.     There was a lot I was invested in  The episode with the Atomic Bomb test was a mind-f**k, but really good.  Forever now the song "My Prayer" from The Platters will give me the creeps.  "This is the water and this is the well.  Drink full and descend.  The horse is the white of the eyes, and dark within."  But I think there are times people are afraid to criticize David Lynch because they think people will think they aren't smart enough to get him.  I don't need every question answered but out of 18 hours, there was probably 5-6 hours of garbage.   And that bit with Michael Cera was painful to watch - it wasn't funny or interesting at all.       Few people have aged as drastically as James Marshall, but I know he's been though a lot in his life.  

 

Got a light? 

 

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I agree with a lot of what you had to say:

My wife and I were amused by "Mr. Jackpots", and any excuse to watch Naomi Watts is a good one, but yeah... early on we were hoping to get good Cooper back by episode 9 or 10.  After awhile we began to wonder if we would at all.

That was my wife's thought on Audrey as well, but then that complicates things around what part of the events in Twin Peaks are actually occurring and which are just part of Audrey's dream, as I think some of the names that she and her husband reference appear in the Roadhouse scenes in various episodes.  But maybe the Roadhouse is a dream space, that would at least start to explain why Jacques Renault inexplicably appears in an episode and why people like Eddie Vedder and Nine Inch Nails are playing Twin Peaks.  With Lynch, I suppose it doesn't really matter what's dream and reality, but that's probably a lazy way of approaching that.  That also really complicates matters around Richard, or at least makes his conception disturbing.

The atomic bomb episode was awesome, but not necessarily as an episode of Twin Peaks.  I have to imagine that they lost some amount of viewers with that.

We actually thought the Michael Cera bit was hilarious, in part because everyone knew how terrible the Brando impression was.  Half the joy of that scene is just watching everyone try to keep a straight face.

I had a much bigger problem with the Chrysta Bell character -- she just looked wrong on camera.  Something about the way she moved versus the stillness that everyone else in the show has.  I also don't know what to think about Diane being used as a long-lost paramour for Cooper.  That doesn't particularly follow from anything in the original show.

In all, I don't think I'd put my garbage time anywhere near 5-6 hours, but I agree that it seemed like there was a lot of wasted space, especially early on.  I suspect that at least some of those parts will seem better on a second viewing as more things start to click together.

And no... I don't have a light.  I suppose I'll get my head crushed for that.

 

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3 minutes ago, brideck said:
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I agree with a lot of what you had to say:

My wife and I were amused by "Mr. Jackpots", and any excuse to watch Naomi Watts is a good one, but yeah... early on we were hoping to get good Cooper back by episode 9 or 10.  After awhile we began to wonder if we would at all.

That was my wife's thought on Audrey as well, but then that complicates things around what part of the events in Twin Peaks are actually occurring and which are just part of Audrey's dream, as I think some of the names that she and her husband reference appear in the Roadhouse scenes in various episodes.  But maybe the Roadhouse is a dream space, that would at least start to explain why Jacques Renault inexplicably appears in an episode and why people like Eddie Vedder and Nine Inch Nails are playing Twin Peaks.  With Lynch, I suppose it doesn't really matter what's dream and reality, but that's probably a lazy way of approaching that.  That also really complicates matters around Richard, or at least makes his conception disturbing.

The atomic bomb episode was awesome, but not necessarily as an episode of Twin Peaks.  I have to imagine that they lost some amount of viewers with that.

We actually thought the Michael Cera bit was hilarious, in part because everyone knew how terrible the Brando impression was.  Half the joy of that scene is just watching everyone try to keep a straight face.

I had a much bigger problem with the Chrysta Bell character -- she just looked wrong on camera.  Something about the way she moved versus the stillness that everyone else in the show has.  I also don't know what to think about Diane being used as a long-lost paramour for Cooper.  That doesn't particularly follow from anything in the original show.

In all, I don't think I'd put my garbage time anywhere near 5-6 hours, but I agree that it seemed like there was a lot of wasted space, especially early on.  I suspect that at least some of those parts will seem better on a second viewing as more things start to click together.

And no... I don't have a light.  I suppose I'll get my head crushed for that.

 

I don't think the show is over, by the way.  I would not be shocked to see some sort of film or series (shorter than 18 hours) in about 2021 or so..........I know Lynch doesn't like to answer every question but he left some very big carrots out there.  

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46 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I don't think the show is over, by the way.  I would not be shocked to see some sort of film or series (shorter than 18 hours) in about 2021 or so..........I know Lynch doesn't like to answer every question but he left some very big carrots out there.  

Lynch has said that he's done with it, and he's 72 now, but never say never I guess.  Some of the carrots may be addressed in The Final Dossier.

42 minutes ago, FloridaTigers said:

TP S3 is probably my favorite single season of TV I've ever seen. What a joy it was each week.

I don't know if joy is exactly the word I would use for it.  Nothing really approached the simple pleasures of S1 for me:

- This must be where pies go when they die.
- Smell those Douglas furs!
- There was a fish in the percolator.
- Every day, once a day, give yourself a present.

But a lot of that has to do with the state of Cooper, I suppose.

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On 4/12/2018 at 10:43 AM, brideck said:

Lynch has said that he's done with it, and he's 72 now, but never say never I guess.  Some of the carrots may be addressed in The Final Dossier.

I don't know if joy is exactly the word I would use for it.  Nothing really approached the simple pleasures of S1 for me:

- This must be where pies go when they die.
- Smell those Douglas furs!
- There was a fish in the percolator.
- Every day, once a day, give yourself a present.

But a lot of that has to do with the state of Cooper, I suppose.

I kind of agree with you.  Season 3 was an interesting watch but Season 1 was just too brilliant and Dale Cooper being Dale Cooper was the best thing about it.   

........and never say never.    

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I didn't want S3 to be like S1. I didn't need all the "charm" that was previously established, especially given the circumstances surrounding Cooper and the depressing state of the actual town of Twin Peaks. The joy came from connecting all the bits to Fire Walk With Me and other seemingly-now-not-so-random bits in S2. I like that it didn't try to be the original Twin Peaks. It would be impossible to recapture that, and I think Lynch went in a great direction with it.

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