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1 hour ago, Charles Liston said:

I wouldn't worry too much about 3.  In my lifetime, no country has had it.  My parents and grandparents would have said the same thing.

i remember traveling around europe in my 20s and coming across so many canadians, english, and australians who really did not like americans.

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4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i remember traveling around europe in my 20s and coming across so many canadians, english, and australians who really did not like americans.

When I went to Australia in 2014 I walked into a store run by an Asian lady with an immigrant accent. I asked about something in the store, she answered. Then she asked whether I was American. Totally in the moment, I answered, no, I'm Canadian. Ah good, she said, I don't like Americans.

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2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

When I went to Australia in 2014 I walked into a store run by an Asian lady with an immigrant accent. I asked about something in the store, she answered. Then she asked whether I was American. Totally in the moment, I answered, no, I'm Canadian. Ah good, she said, I don't like Americans.

we deserve our reputation.

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38 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

So just anecdotally we all agree, we don't have to worry about "replacing" anyone at point 3, because it never existed.

i dont agree.  i think america through its movies, music, and popular culture has long been a mecca for people.

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4 hours ago, Buddha said:

i dont agree.  i think america through its movies, music, and popular culture has long been a mecca for people.

Oh that's a lot different.  It is the largest entertainment market in the world.  I don't think that that was your intent on point 3, was it?  Because nothing has changed, the US is still the largest entertainment market in the world.  I thought you were going for something like moral authority or prestige.  That's what I was referring to when I said it never existed.

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11 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

Oh that's a lot different.  It is the largest entertainment market in the world.  I don't think that that was your intent on point 3, was it?  Because nothing has changed, the US is still the largest entertainment market in the world.  I thought you were going for something like moral authority or prestige.  That's what I was referring to when I said it never existed.

I'm proud of what we've done together.  I'm aware that Canada was at Juno Beach while we were at Omaha and Utah.  Proud too that Canada was a haven for escaped slaves prior to emancipation.   Canada punches above its weight in a lot of areas.  Could do a bit more for intelligence partnerships and throw a few more coins into its military commitments but, when the crap hits the fan we know where you'll be.

 

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1 minute ago, ROMAD1 said:

I'm proud of what we've done together.  I'm aware that Canada was at Juno Beach while we were at Omaha and Utah.  Proud too that Canada was a haven for escaped slaves prior to emancipation.   Canada punches above its weight in a lot of areas.  Could do a bit more for intelligence partnerships and throw a few more coins into its military commitments but, when the crap hits the fan we know where you'll be.

 

Likewise, thanks.  But we weren't suppliers of number 3 either!  I'll stop now.

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9 hours ago, Charles Liston said:

Oh that's a lot different.  It is the largest entertainment market in the world.  I don't think that that was your intent on point 3, was it?  Because nothing has changed, the US is still the largest entertainment market in the world.  I thought you were going for something like moral authority or prestige.  That's what I was referring to when I said it never existed.

Why would anyone think America ever had moral authority?  Authority?  Sure.  But morals? Everything we do is based on money and has been as far back as I can remember.     

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

America was late on outlawing slavery as a British friend likes to remind me.

Not in last place though...Brazil lasted even longer.  Those were the last two.

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33 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

America was late on outlawing slavery as a British friend likes to remind me.

is that before or after he thanks you in english rather than german?

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14 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

Not in last place though...Brazil lasted even longer.  Those were the last two.

depends on if you want to count Mauritania.

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US sending two aircraft carriers to conduct maneuvers near the taiwan straits.

oh, and china is ramping up its soybean and rice orders from....latin america.  leaving american farmers in the lurch and the great trade deal trump talked about it yet again not living up to the hype.

once again, the naivety and ignorance of donald trump on the world stage leaves america looking stupid.

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8 minutes ago, Buddha said:

US sending two aircraft carriers to conduct maneuvers near the taiwan straits.

oh, and china is ramping up its soybean and rice orders from....latin america.  leaving american farmers in the lurch and the great trade deal trump talked about it yet again not living up to the hype.

once again, the naivety and ignorance of donald trump on the world stage leaves america looking stupid.

Is it naivety or he just doesn't give a ****?  I don't think he cares how the deal works out.  He will always say it was a great deal and his followers will believe him.  That's good enough for him.    

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23 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Is it naivety or he just doesn't give a ****?  I don't think he cares how the deal works out.  He will always say it was a great deal and his followers will believe him.  That's good enough for him.    

I think it goes mostly back to the fact that Trump is an old person that doesn't want to learn anything new (which of all the things about him argues most strongly that if he isn't in dementia he is a prime candidate for it....)

International relations are hard, the issue are complex, the history is deep, the motivations and constraints on the players have to be understood. Trump has no time or inclination for that. He throws whatever his 'gut feeling' action is at the problem - which usually fails. Meanwhile, the people in his the government who still believe in policy are still trying to run a conventional  FP playbook by doing things showing the fleet etc. But it all remains a muddle  because while Trump may sign off on those efforts, he still only has this ill-informed narrow focus on what interests him and he's likely as not to torpedo what the rest of his own government is doing at any time with a random tweet or maybe the firing of whoever is trying to run a policy.

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39 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Is it naivety or he just doesn't give a ****?  I don't think he cares how the deal works out.  He will always say it was a great deal and his followers will believe him.  That's good enough for him.    

i dont think so.  i think he thinks its a great deal at the time because he is stupid and is bad at making deals.  he always has been bad at it.

once the deal inevitably goes bad, he finds a way to blame someone else for his incompetence.

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53 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i dont think so.  i think he thinks its a great deal at the time because he is stupid and is bad at making deals.  he always has been bad at it.

once the deal inevitably goes bad, he finds a way to blame someone else for his incompetence.

I don't think he cares one way or the other.  The truth means nothing to him.  He can still say it's a great deal and it won't matter if it is or isn't.  I believe his whole life has been a lie.  In the end though, trying to understand how a spociopath (and a stupid one at that) thinks, is a pointless endeavor.  

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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

... because he is stupid and is bad at making deals...

Lee, Buddha is correct on this one...

This is not an issue of lying or being a con-artist. It's the issue of his abject stupidity, abject incompetence, and ignorance that inhabits every cell of his body.

He has a 40 year history of this level of stupidity:

1980's: "Ronnie just needs to let me go talk with Gorby and I'll solve this Cold War thingy in one hour...". Yeah, right you ignorant... How about another good one that he let fly in the 80's: "Maybe I could be President". Based on what? The abject stupidity of Americans to vote for one Donald "Ignoramous" Trump? Oh, wait... Hmmm 50/50. I'm still going with abject stupidity. And ignorance.

1990's: Multiple bankruptcies. Loss of Casinos, his "Trump Princess" mega-yacht, Trump Airlines... Failures everywhere. Abject incompetence.

2000's: "But this is a great time to open a Mortgage Lending business (twice). There's no real estate meltdown. Kudlow said so..." Yeah, in the middle of an economic/ real estate meltdown. Failure, twice. Abject ignorance.

2010's: "Trade Wars are easy to win". Why, because Kudlow said so? You never even contemplated that China was going to retaliate, did you Trump? Or that they would retaliate against American farmers, did you Trump? Abject all 3 levels of stupidity, incompetence and ignorance.

I gave only 1 example per decade for the past 4 decades. If you want, I could make much longer lists of his stupidity, ignorance and incompetence.... Let me know.

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4 hours ago, Buddha said:

i dont think so.  i think he thinks its a great deal at the time because he is stupid and is bad at making deals.  he always has been bad at it.

once the deal inevitably goes bad, he finds a way to blame someone else for his incompetence.

Yes, I think that he is stupid, and is bad at making deals.

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15 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Lee, Buddha is correct on this one...

This is not an issue of lying or being a con-artist. It's the issue of his abject stupidity, abject incompetence, and ignorance that inhabits every cell of his body.

 

Being stupid and being a con-artist are not mutually exclusive.  There are plenty of stupid people out there who who can be conned by a sociopath.  

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13 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

But he is good at having someone ghost write bad books about deals.

And he got so many to buy the book.  He is an ignorant douchebag, but he had been able to convince millions that he has something to offer.  He is so obviously ignorant and his con is so transparent, but it still works for him.  

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