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How maddening.  They simply cannot come up with fresh material for this show.  Do I even need to say spoilers?  Since there are about 4 people who contribute to this thread anymore?

Just like that.  Just like that Negan is back in charge?  How many freaking guys does he have?  They killed off about 100 before we even knew they were saviors.  They killed another 100 or so in this all out war.  Maggie has like 35 locked up and they still have the numbers to override 2 other communities?

"Oh no they have guns we better surrender!"  Pretty sure Maggie and Jesus had twice the number of people with them, but still gave their guns up.

I get why the Kingdom fell so easily.  Most of their fighters died in that ambush.

Alexandria did not put up much of a fight either.  

"Oh hey Michonne!  I do not really see many people around and I just got in a fight with Negan...how about you come back with me so we can finish this?".....Naaaaaa let's run to the sewer.

"Hey I am 17 years old and in charge...Daryl...how about you say and do nothing while I come up with a plan!"

The only saving grace was Carl trying to break through Negan with his speech about taking him if it will end this.  I am sure he was already bitten by then and knew he was dying so why not try to sacrifice himself to try and save the group.  Eugenes back and forth with his inner self is slightly interesting.

The writing has just been really bad lately.  This back and forth with Negan is just poor story telling.

I am just burned out I think.  I am glad there is a break because not much happened at all this first half of the season.  Rick and Co are fighting Negan for control....there is a little back and forth and now Negan is back on top.

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Do you follow the comics?

I do not but the last season something clicked for me where I realized it's a show based on a comic and much of the flow and imagery will be from that.  The writing will never be top notch or clever.  This season was the best of the last 4 or 5 I think... I have no idea how many we've had.  I forget so much now.  But the pacing was much better.  Not a lot of time went by but they got away from the solitary episodes.

Spoiler - I get why they did it.  

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I do not follow the comics yet.  I wanted to wait until the series was over and then go back and read the comics since I am not a huge comic guy to begin with, but I think it will be fun to go back and see what was different when the TV show is over.

I am sick of badass Rick turning into quivering Rick in the blink of an eye.  All of the imagery from the show has always been comic book ish...Ezekiel sitting on the stage with an empty chain in his hand when Carol came in etc etc.  They should be able to take the comic books path and still write some good dialogue and make the way there interesting.

To me this whole first part of this season was Rick returning to dominance and giving it to Negan and then after ALL of the damage Rick and Co did over 7 episodes in 10 minutes Negan is just like 'yep, I am back in charge just like that now bow down!'

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3 minutes ago, Tigertown Rats said:

The best was Rick getting his hands on Lucille, and hitting Negan with the butt-end of it... LOL!! What an idiotic show this has become.

It is the inconsistency IMO.  It would have been fine if we knew that Rick was like Morgan pre going crazy.  "All life is precious" kind of thing.  That is not Rick and even if it was having the guy threaten to chop your sons arm off and then talking about how he was going to change him after Rick was dead should be incentive enough to take a killing shot at ALL COSTS!  Rick should not have been running away from a one on one fight with Negan.  That should have been a fight to the death.

For as badass as Rick is SUPPOSED to be he got his butt whopped by the grocery store manager (Phil-he just did not have the killer look IMO) almost to the point of death and he runs from a guy, who if dead, would solve ALL of his problems and he just runs off.

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7 minutes ago, Oblong said:

If they did things that made sense then there wouldn't be a show 

 

I am all for suspension of disbelief. After all, I am watching a zombie show based on a comic book. That said, this show has gotten laughably bad with regard to logic. It makes absolutely no sense to get Lucille into Rick's hands and have him use the butt-end of it. If they didn't want that confrontation to be the end of Negan (or Rick), then you can play it out the same way without Rick ever getting the bat. That's just one example. There are plenty more. Of course, I'm the one who is still watching, so who is really the illogical one... LOL

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http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/sunday-cable-ratings-dec-10-2017/

 

Sunday cable ratings: ‘Walking Dead’ fall finale ticks up, Season 8 still way down

The final “Walking Dead” episode of 2017 improved a little bit in the ratings, but the first half of the season is still way down from last year.

Sunday’s episode drew a 3.4 rating in adults 18-49 and 7.89 million viewers, up from 3.3 and 7.47 million the previous week. The first half of Season 8 as a whole averaged 3.8 in the 18-49 demographic, down 33 percent from 5.7 for the same time frame last year.

 

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I liked how in the previous episode Rick looked like Bruce Lee taking out 3 armed people and a walker all the while having his hands tied but in this one he ends up getting his *** kicked by one guy and running away despite being armed.

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23 hours ago, Biff Mayhem said:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/sunday-cable-ratings-dec-10-2017/

 

Sunday cable ratings: ‘Walking Dead’ fall finale ticks up, Season 8 still way down

The final “Walking Dead” episode of 2017 improved a little bit in the ratings, but the first half of the season is still way down from last year.

Sunday’s episode drew a 3.4 rating in adults 18-49 and 7.89 million viewers, up from 3.3 and 7.47 million the previous week. The first half of Season 8 as a whole averaged 3.8 in the 18-49 demographic, down 33 percent from 5.7 for the same time frame last year.

 

What's fascinating to me is that the mid-season finale should be the highest or 2nd highest rated episode of this 8-episode half season. It was the 3rd lowest. 5 of the 8 episodes had higher ratings than the finale. I don't know how this happens.

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Even though I've been down on the show lately I still look forward to each episode so I'm  a bit disappointed that it's not coming back till 25th. I was thinking it was going to be next Sunday since in years past the 2nd half started the week after the Super Bowl.   I'm guessing it must be because they don't want to compete with the Winter Olympics.  

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On 2/4/2018 at 11:42 AM, RandyMarsh said:

Even though I've been down on the show lately I still look forward to each episode so I'm  a bit disappointed that it's not coming back till 25th. I was thinking it was going to be next Sunday since in years past the 2nd half started the week after the Super Bowl.   I'm guessing it must be because they don't want to compete with the Winter Olympics.  

That would be my guess as well.  Glad there is at least one person left who I can discuss the show with when it comes back on.

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I am trying to piece together Morgans timeline and how that is going to interact with FTWD.

In TWD timeline we first meet Morgan in day 59.  FTWD current time line is somewhere around day 64.  Rick leaves Morgan in day 60.  We know Morgan lived in the Atlanta area because during the evacuation his wife was bit and he stayed in King County, GA (where he met Rick)...even assuming for some weird reason he lived in California and was flown to Atlanta for some reason as a part of evacuation it does not match up with the current FTWD timeline.  

TWD timeline is currently at day 620 or so....so unless they do a HUGE jump in FTWD timeline I have no idea how they tie this together.  We see Morgan for 2 days in TWD and then not again until day 314 in 'Clear' and it is written that he spent that time in King County killing as many walkers as he can before getting reunited with the group again around day 547 and he was tracking Rick and living with Eastman during this time.

How does he end up in California or Mexico or wherever they are at in FTWD.  I am actually like 6-7 episodes behind on that show.  Lost interest.

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FTWD was/is a terrible show. AMC thought they could just draw viewers in with the name and didn't seem to put much effort into it. They've taken a similar approach to the writing of the last two seasons I watched of TWD. I haven't seen a single episode of the most recent season but I'm quite certain that it is continuing to devolve.

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I liked the concept of FTWD, but stopped watching it pretty early on. I was surprised to see that they are apparently putting Morgan in the show. 

Given that Morgan is present at the beginning of TWD and later on, it seems likely that the FTWD crew will end up out east somehow. Having not followed either show at all lately, I have no idea how plausible that is. 

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Yeah I lost interest in FTWD after, I think season 2.  Whenever it was that there was a big fire at a house.  I thought they would approach from a different angle and it was just more of the same.  I was interested in it because it was showing us a time period not on TWD and I wish they had dragged that out further.   

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6 hours ago, Oblong said:

Yeah I lost interest in FTWD after, I think season 2.  Whenever it was that there was a big fire at a house.  I thought they would approach from a different angle and it was just more of the same.  I was interested in it because it was showing us a time period not on TWD and I wish they had dragged that out further.   

I agree with most of this. I really hoped they would delve into the initial outbreak waaaay more. That being said, I stuck with it and now I actually care about the characters. I believe they mentioned early on (might have been Talking Dead) that Madison is from the deep south somewhere. So I expect them to end up coming to Morgan rather than the other way around. It would be pretty cool for them to come across Abraham and co. on the way through Texas. It's now down to just Madison, Nick, and Alicia and a few rotating people so not a lot to keep together. 

     At this point in my life, I have time for more than a couple shows to follow. So these are appointment shows for me. So Sunday nights are wrapped up for me but I still have the rest of the week for anything else I want to catch up on.

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I enjoyed that episode quite a bit.  They handled Carls death about as well as I could expect.  I can see someone not liking how long they took on it, but I thought they had to give at least a full episode to it.  He is one of the only characters that have been on the show since episode one left.  Rick, Carol and him I believe.  Morgan was also, but he had such a prolonged absence that I do not count him.

The scene with Judith was very poorly edited, but other than that I felt some emotion with him dying.  The scenes with him, Rick and Michonne were really well done.

I have a million things I could say about it, but wanted to at least bump the thread for now until I have more time later to expound.

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https://www.avclub.com/the-walking-dead-returns-with-the-same-old-lines-1823306763

 

I’m not sure the show has ever been quite so bald about the con job that drives it, that promise of salvation that always, always ends in misery. I guess we’re not supposed to notice because it’s a couple of crying kids this time, but it’s hard to get past the bleak comedy of the actual line. “Oh no, I’m sure things will work out this time,” Charlie Brown says as he goes running for the football. Then zombie Lucy eats his face. It’s a rich tapestry.

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