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Am as certain as I can be without actually knowing that the drop dd not happen because Gus called it off when he realized his man was being watched.  That is why he came out to clean up.  That was the signal not to make the drop.

Similarly he came out to clean up to size up Walt when Walt first came in to the restaurant.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Am as certain as I can be without actually knowing that the drop dd not happen because Gus called it off when he realized his man was being watched.  That is why he came out to clean up.  That was the signal not to make the drop.

Similarly he came out to clean up to size up Walt when Walt first came in to the restaurant.

I thought this happened as well. He probably always makes a round when a drop gets there to see if anyone is watching. Jimmy just made it way too obvious. 

Any guess as to what would have happened otherwise? Would he have just taken the bag? Would the bag man have then taken it to the counter? Not sure why they wouldn't have just used a back door. 

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8 minutes ago, Yoda said:

I thought this happened as well. He probably always makes a round when a drop gets there to see if anyone is watching. Jimmy just made it way too obvious. 

Any guess as to what would have happened otherwise? Would he have just taken the bag? Would the bag man have then taken it to the counter? Not sure why they wouldn't have just used a back door. 

Because it would not have been good for the show !

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I would guess that Gus wanted the drop in the restaurant because he could plausibly claim he merely picked up a bag a customer left behind to put in lost and found, should he be caught with it by the police / DEA.

 

It also looks far less suspicious to John Q. Public or the other employees than a drop at the back door.

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On 4/11/2017 at 6:03 PM, Motor City Sonics said:

And also,  Michael McKean does not get enough love for his performance on this show.  He's fantastic.  

 

(And I still say Chuck is the good guy, even though he's a total richard). 

Or anything he's ever done, except his brief foray into SNL.

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6 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Or anything he's ever done, except his brief foray into SNL.

Yes, this is true.  He's always great.    He was able to avoid typecasting as the "Lenny" guy from Laverne & Shirley and he built a great career.  He's a helluva dramatic actor even though comedy is his main schtick.    Same with Odenkirk.    Vince Gilligan is right, good comedic actors can do drama very well.  

I also want to compliment Patrick Fabian.   I know Howard Hamelin represents the typical "empty suit", but there is more to this guy and I hope they get a little more into his character.  He does a lot of little things in his acting.    And of course Jon Banks, who can carry long scenes and sequences without saying a word.   There were 3 or 4 nearly wordless scenes in this last episode and it made the scenes better.  Again, I have said this before about Vince Gilligan - he's got stones to repeatedly do this, no dialogue, no music montage.  It shows a great deal of respect to the viewer.   It dares you to pay more attention.    And the editing in this show (and Breaking Bad) - as good as any top-notch movie.  

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Jimmy may have me fooled and while I agree Chuck is the good guy in all this I think there is something to be said about the timing.  I think Jimmy was honestly TRYING to turn the corner, to stop being a con man.  He was trying really hard...maybe he tried before, maybe Chuck tried to help him turn the corner as well as bail him out of jail repeatedly.  Maybe this time was no different than the others (if there were others), but the way it all played out made me thing Jimmy COULD have turned that corner if he would have gotten some support from Chuck.  I still say brothers till the end, no matter what and the number of times Chuck tried to undermine what Jimmy was doing was not the right thing to do IMO.  Chuck did NOT have to be complicit in anything illegal, he did not need to help Jimmy get out of jams because of some scam, but when it looks like Jimmy is trying to turn it around you need to be there for him.

I cannot recall anything in the first couple seasons that Jimmy did that Chuck could not have at least been verbally supportive of, Chuck is the good guy in terms of thinking he knows what his brother is and trying to protect society from him.  There is this whole back story with those 2.  We have seen some of it in flash backs.  I am sure Chuck has gone through a lot and just finally gave up on Jimmy, but that is my point.  He should have never given up on him.

We know what Jimmy became, it is easy for US to see it now because we have already seen it, but from Chucks perspective he does not know that is what he becomes.  He is a smart guy and probably expected him to become that, but with more support maybe Jimmy could have turned that corner.  It was all right there for him.  His scam buddy dying, making Jimmy rethink life, passing the bar, his friendship with Kim...I think his brother was that last piece and instead of supporting him Chuck did the opposite.  He tried to sabotage him and degraded and berated Jimmy for his 'degree'.  

Maybe in a real world scenario Jimmy becomes Jimmy no matter what Chuck does, but I like to think that is Chuck stayed with him and supported him that he would have had a better chance at becoming something better than what he is.

On a different note:  I really hope they have a season or a half of a season or something with Jimmy in the current time.  I hope his current state is not relegated to flash back cut scenes.

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I think that is part of the theme of the show:

Would Jimmy have become Saul had he been supported by, or received respect from, his brother?

That desire for respect was why he worked so hard became a lawyer and why he was so angry his brother taped him.

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Another easter egg, the doctor was the same one Gus, Jesse, and Mike went to after the big shootout in Mexico. 

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13 hours ago, Yoda said:

Another easter egg, the doctor was the same one Gus, Jesse, and Mike went to after the big shootout in Mexico. 

I knew that guy looked familiar from Breaking Bad but I couldn't place him. 

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I'm interested to see how this legal fight turns out. He clearly won't be disbarred, as he is still practicing in BB.. Maybe a trial ruins both he and Chuck in some fashion or a pre-trial deal where he stops using the McGill name.

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I have no idea what the rule for spoilers is after a show is aired so just to be safe:

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Mike:  I like his ingenuity, I am guessing that was the only time the truck stopped.  I am sure it was scouted for a while before the attempt was made and he saw a chance to do what he had to do at that spot.  I am a little fuzzy on why he did it....did Gus ask him to?  Is he working with Gus now?  Gus said something about not interfering with Mike as long as he did not kill Hector.   So is Mike just going to make life miserable for the dude on his own or was he under orders and working with Gus now?  I like the opening shot of the shoes in the future falling from rot many months/years later onto the Los Pollos truck....showing the change from Hector smuggling the drugs to Gus.  Was there any drugs left in the toe of the shoe?  I am guessing so...did they ever show a Los Pollos truck in Breaking Bad getting inspected and caught?  If so that could be the set up for that.  I am assuming some of those drugs would remain..at least traces, enough for a sniffer dog to find.  It could be nothing more than showing Gus taking over the trade route as opposed to Hector, but I  cannot recall the specifics of Breaking Bad in that regard right now.

Chuck:  Says Jimmy will be a better man after he gets out and maybe he will change his ways....Jimmy, while still a fast talking conman kind of dude is nowhere close to what he used to be...does Chuck not see that?  Jimmy was on his way to being a better man when Chuck crushed him for getting an online degree to become a lawyer.  Chuck says he will 'stand by you when you decide to do the right thing'...Jimmy was trying to do the right thing and follow in his big brothers foot steps by becoming a lawyer and now Chuck wants to take that from him completely.  I knew something like that was going to be offered, but I was thinking it was just changing his name not disbarring him.  I first thought the part about Chuck telling the prosecutor that Jimmy had a good heart was sincere, but I am not sure.  I think Chuck was manipulating the prosecutor to get what he wanted (Jimmy out of law as opposed to in jail), but does Chuck think Jimmy has a good heart?  To me that is the crux, if he does think that then Chuck is just being selfish to get Jimmy out of law for his own reasons...maybe he does not want his name dragged in the mud with his brother when the dust settles, maybe he is jealous of Jimmies free life style?  Who knows.  If he doesn't think Jimmy has a good heart then he feels justified in what he is doing and it could be better understood by viewers IMO.

Kim:  Man I wish she would ditch that stupid little curly q pony tail.  When she first woke up and her hair was all messy...nice.  She is obviously going to fall and fall BIG.  She will lose Mesa Verde and it will be at least partly because of Jimmy.  Will it be Jimmies fault or will Chuck have some of the blame there?  I am assuming it will be a mixed bag based on how these writers like to write their shows.  There will be a strong argument for Kim keeping her business prospering if Chuck would have just left Jimmy alone.  Chuck, technically/legally, did not do anything wrong by stealing Mesa Verde, but it was not the right thing to do and he knew that.

Cars:  This is nothing new with the writers.  They always give crappy, weird cars to characters, but they are taking it to another level with this series.  Ernestos car?  lol  Shy, quiet, scarred kid driving a souped up Mazda with a tail fin and bright colored paint job?  Mikes car(s) are spot on for his character IMO, but Jimmies beat up ride and that car Ernesto drives?

 

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Speaking of the cars (not a spoiler here).  Ernie is younger than Jimmy.  Maybe Ernie still lives with his parents.   Jimmy has probably spent money on his career ambitions and has less to spend on a car (just the rent of his office).   

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Ernie's car doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He is probably paid fairly well, relatively speaking. 

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After cutting the cord, its harder to keep up with this show. Watching on the amc app or on demand is possible, but I don't get around to it until a couple days later. Kind of frustrating. 

Anyway, I don't think we are supposed to know chuck's end game yet. I think he was definitely manipulating the ADA. But chuck always seems to be one step ahead of Jimmy. I wonder if he knew Jimmy wouldn't ultimately agree to the deal they gave him. He knows Jimmy wants to be a lawyer. But maybe not. Maybe this is where Jimmy flips the script on chuck once and for all, and chuck ends up disgraced in some way in his efforts to bring Jimmy down. Maybe Jimmy takes it to trial, and chuck perjures himself in some way. 

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Nothing about the cars in the show is surprising or particularly noteworthy to me.

Jimmy was pretty broke up until Sandpiper and I understood he used his money to start the firm.

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15 minutes ago, Shelton said:

After cutting the cord, its harder to keep up with this show. Watching on the amc app or on demand is possible, but I don't get around to it until a couple days later. Kind of frustrating. 

Anyway, I don't think we are supposed to know chuck's end game yet. I think he was definitely manipulating the ADA. But chuck always seems to be one step ahead of Jimmy. I wonder if he knew Jimmy wouldn't ultimately agree to the deal they gave him. He knows Jimmy wants to be a lawyer. But maybe not. Maybe this is where Jimmy flips the script on chuck once and for all, and chuck ends up disgraced in some way in his efforts to bring Jimmy down. Maybe Jimmy takes it to trial, and chuck perjures himself in some way. 

My contention has been, and is, Chuck wants Jimmy to succeed, but just not as a lawyer.  On some level Chuck wants Jimmy to be one peg below him, and Jimmy being a lawyer is just too close for Chuck's tastes despite Chuck's obvious career accomplishments and success.

The whole monkey with a machine gun line is true as far as it goes, but I think it is just a lie told (perhaps a lie Chuck tells himself as well) to justify Chuck's behavior / attitude towards Jimmy.

In any event, I think Chuck figures that Jimmy would either concede disbarment or be disbarred by the ethics committee, at which time Chuck would try to set Jimmy up in a decent enough job / career through his contacts.

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Jimmy McGill gets disbarred, but tricks the bar and gets licensed as Saul Goodman.

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24 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Jimmy McGill gets disbarred, but tricks the bar and gets licensed as Saul Goodman.

He is still in the Albuquerque area as Saul and runs annoying commercials and has his face plastered all over billboards and park benches.  Noway that happens IMO.  And not only because of the bar, but because of HHM and Chuck...unless both Howard and Chuck somehow die, then MAYBE I see it working because there would be few people who would give a damn.

 

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Agree with JBK.  Saul is far too conspicuous and operating in ABQ to somehow get away with a name switch on a technicality or otherwise.

I'd guess the name change is part of a compromise between Jimmy and Chuck.

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Depending on how things end with chuck, Jimmy could also change his name to Saul on his own, possibly because he feels guilty of what he did to his brother. He could be ashamed of what Jimmy McGill did to his family, and see it as a fresh start for himself. Like he isn't worthy of calling himself a McGill anymore. 

I think an agreement between Jimmy and chuck is a bit too clean. I think things are going to end much more tragically for the McGills. 

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33 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

or maybe he actually just changes it for the reason he gave on Breaking Bad.....

Which was?  I do not recall what he said about it on BB.

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