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3 hours ago, Shelton said:

Once the story is told, I think a lot of fans are going to check out. 

Actually I think most serious fans, who have already read the books, will continuing buying/reading the books presuming GRRM finishes and publishes them. Particularly because the show runners are certainly cutting out story lines and condensing the end of the show, and that doesn't play well with the serious fan base. 

More casual fans, who watch the show only, may not care that much about the next couple of books.  Because they didn't care about the books to begin with.  But then again if the show storyline is reported to have deviated too much from the books, I could see some of these fans wanting to read how GRRM wanted the end to play out. 

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17 minutes ago, ballmich said:

Actually I think most serious fans, who have already read the books, will continuing buying/reading the books presuming GRRM finishes and publishes them. Particularly because the show runners are certainly cutting out story lines and condensing the end of the show, and that doesn't play well with the serious fan base. 

More casual fans, who watch the show only, may not care that much about the next couple of books.  Because they didn't care about the books to begin with.  But then again if the show storyline is reported to have deviated too much from the books, I could see some of these fans wanting to read how GRRM wanted the end to play out. 

Well yeah, die hard "book readers" are obviously going to read the books. Like anything else there is a spectrum.  I think there is large group of people in the middle of the spectrum that read the books after season 1 aired, and read them all in a relatively short period of time, in a sort of binge-like fashion because the show was so good. They knew there was so much story out there in the books that was yet to be told on the show. They knew people that had read the books earlier still loved the show, so there was less worry about being spoiled by reading the books. Anyway, I think there was a peak for the new book readers that has passed. It's one thing to be into the books when you know there is another one on the shelf to pick up when you finish. 

I just think for a lot of these people that binged the books and have now spent years without the books, while the show continues beyond and completes the story (or at least the main points), they will be less inclined to read the books if they ever come out. 

The die hard readers will read the books. The show only people obviously won't. The people in the middle are harder to peg, but the longer you go without something, the more you realize you don't need it, especially when the equivalent story has already been told. 

I fall into the middle category more or less. I read the first book prior to the first season. I read the next three prior to the second season. I read the final one prior to season three. 

I loved being able to keep the story going. But it has been so long, I honestly remember little about the books. The show has taken over as the primary source material for me. I honestly don't know whether I would read the new book if it came out a year from now. If it came out at the end of this season in the fall or something, maybe I would. 

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For me it would depend on the quality of the book.  I would start to read the Winds of Winter regardless, but if it languishes like A Feast for Crows / Dance with Dragons did, then I would be done after book 6, if not part way into book 6.

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15 hours ago, Shelton said:

 

I just think for a lot of these people that binged the books and have now spent years without the books, while the show continues beyond and completes the story (or at least the main points), they will be less inclined to read the books if they ever come out. 

 

 

I have very little interest in the new book- if there is ever a new book. I actually never finished the last book. He lost my attention and I never went back to it.

Now, the show is a different matter. I am looking forward to the new season and am very curious as to how this all plays out in the end.

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I think he made a mistake with the way he split feast and dance into different books, especially taking so long to release dance. 

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Would love to see small series based on Robert's Rebellion or the Targaryen infighting when they were on the throne.

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Who knows.

 

If I had to guess:

a dunk and egg miniseries

targaryen infighting series

robert's rebellion miniseries

night's watch series

 

 

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I like the idea of of 3-4 different miniseries that are each a season or two long.  Instead of a new show that's 5-6 years long.

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2 hours ago, Shelton said:

Who knows.

 

If I had to guess:

a dunk and egg miniseries

targaryen infighting series

robert's rebellion miniseries

night's watch series

 

 

Those seem most likely.

I would imagine they start with the Roberts rebellion miniseries just because it will have a lot of characters familiar to the audience, albeit with different actors.

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Love the Night's Watch idea. We got a taste of that in the pilot. There's so much you could do with them. 

I've read a ton of people wanting a Druk and Egg series. From what I've read I think I would like that a lot, but I've made it a point to not read up on them just because it seemed possible they'd do a tv series on them. 

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15 hours ago, drownwithyou said:

Would love to see small series based on Robert's Rebellion or the Targaryen infighting when they were on the throne.

If HBO simply leaves it at this series they are complete fools.  From a marketing stand point I think waiting a few years before announcing a new series, most likely one that takes place BEFORE the current one, would make the most sense.  AMC did it perfectly with BB and BCS IMO.

They would be ABSOLUTE fools to leave it at this series alone though, that much I can say.  Do not over do it like AMC with TWD and FTWD though.  Wait awhile and let new people get on the bandwagon in a couple years and drop the news of a reboot to before Ned Stark and Rob Baratheon.  You can go a million different directions with another show.  Build the entire universe just like Star Wars did.

People love the story, they love the theme, the idea behind it all.  Keep it going.

I am sure this show costs a TON to produce because of how well it is done and I have no idea what their margins are, but I would be shocked to find out they were not pretty darn impressive even with the cost of production.

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Better call Saul was discussed well before breaking bad concluded and it started up shortly after breaking bad was done. 

The would be FOOLS to wait too long after the main series concludes to release the new series. 

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Don't rule out them doing a sequel series either, taking place several years after the current series, maybe as spring arrives. 

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I wonder if they're considering focusing on one person (for example Barristan Selmy in his rise to become a knight and then kingsguard) instead of a time period with many different storylines like how the books and show currently are.  Could be cool and give the series a different feel from GoT to have a focus/main character.

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42 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Don't rule out them doing a sequel series either, taking place several years after the current series, maybe as spring arrives. 

I suppose that's possible. I guess it depends on how the series ends, but westeros certainly has the potential for further upheaval. 

I guess it's not surprising that they have commissioned four different ideas. It's hard to get a sense for whether something will work until you have seen the story developed. 

Imagine the current series ending not with the white walkers defeated and spring returning, but with the walkers winning the war and all of the characters dead and defeated. Perhaps the only survivors are Sam and gilly and the baby, and they flee east with little hope. 

Maybe the "dream of spring" is just that. 

That would allow a sequel series taking place and set somewhere in Essos 100 years down the line, and you could create an entirely new story, with the whole idea of going back to westeros as the end game. 

Who knows how it will end. The "happy" ending is dany back on the throne, the lannisters dead, and Jon back at winterfell, with the white walkers defeated and peace throughout the land. Hard to see that type of thing being the ending that Martin envisions. 

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6 minutes ago, drownwithyou said:

I wonder if they're considering focusing on one person (for example Barristan Selmy in his rise to become a knight and then kingsguard) instead of a time period with many different storylines like how the books and show currently are.  Could be cool and give the series a different feel from GoT to have a focus/main character.

I think they could go that route and still make it work just fine.  It is like the new Star Wars books.  Heir to the Jedi, Tarkin, Bloodline etc...they all focus on one main player, but you get plenty of other things going on around them.  

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The funny thing is that to me a happy ending would be a major curveball for the series, when usually it is the boring, safe way to go.  I fully expect the white walkers to win or a pyrrhic victory for the men against the WW.

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8 minutes ago, drownwithyou said:

The funny thing is that to me a happy ending would be a major curveball for the series, when usually it is the boring, safe way to go.  I fully expect the white walkers to win or a pyrrhic victory for the men against the WW.

The white walkers winning would be an interesting way to end it. Pretty grim and would provide a good deal of closure of the series. 

I wonder what else they could do that would be a compromise. Maybe defeating the white walkers, but the result being that only main player to survive the whole thing is someone like littlefinger, or cersei, or both. Throw in Sansa being stuck with littlefinger for good measure. 

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1 minute ago, Shelton said:

Throw in Sansa being stuck with littlefinger for good measure. 

Oh no...you monster.

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GRRM has said the ending would be bitter sweet.  I don't find having the WW win the day to be a bitter sweet ending, unless somehow they turn the the story to show another perspective on how the WW were actually the ones who justly deserve to rule Westeros.  And that is a hard thing to do for a group that fights with reanimated zombies. 

That said, I do expect significant curveballs to come.

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The white walkers win, and Jon sits on the iron throne... as a wight. 

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I think it's just going to be something like, the WW defeated, most major characters killed off including the dragons, King's Landing destroyed, and an end to a feudalistic Westeros. 

 

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I was thinking that as well. Maybe nobody wits on the iron throne because it no longer exists, and all the kingdoms are ruled individually. Which probably means Dany dies. 

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