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Would we be better or worse had we chosen Monroe over Drummond  

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  1. 1. Would we be better or worse had we chosen Monroe over Drummond

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Would we have been better had we chose Monroe over Drummond? - Discuss

 

I say yes, particularly had we traded Drummond away the same year we signed Monroe to a max or close to max deal since we probably could have gotten some good stuff for him back then.

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no no...he didn't get nothing, he got cap space.  (even I think that's the biggest nonsensical argument for it)

SVG clearly had no idea what to do with the roster when he got here and made mistakes with the rotten 3.

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6 hours ago, Betrayer said:

There's no option for moving both of them?

This is the answer.

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5 hours ago, Casimir said:

This is the answer.

yeah. they were were disappointed that Monroe had plateaued in terms of his shooting range, so cast the dice with AD hoping he would realize more of his upside. But right now they are both sitting at pretty similar PER. I guess the difference is that Monroe seems more limited by his talent than Drummond. Drummond  remains frustrating because if he would do what he sometimes shows he can do with consistency and effort, he can still make the Piston decision look good.

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Has the ability...isn't. Monroe would be an offensive force for us though, and do all the things plus some that Dwight did for Orlando on the offensive side. Defensively, he'd be giving us at least what Drummond is now giving us, though that's about it. 

What could we have traded Drummond for in 2015 though?

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8 minutes ago, DaBishop said:

Has the ability...isn't. Monroe would be an offensive force for us though, and do all the things plus some that Dwight did for Orlando on the offensive side. Defensively, he'd be giving us at least what Drummond is now giving us, though that's about it. 

What could we have traded Drummond for in 2015 though?

yup - as a hindsight exercise, if you assume you could have gotten a big haul for a younger Drummond who hadn't done as much to prove his limitations, then it's hard to see the Pistons not being better off right now with that return plus Monroe or even with that return  plus the return from a Monroe trade as well. Of course AD might yet become the player that make this all a moot point.

And TBH, at the time I sure had no idea which course was more likely to work out better.

 

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1 hour ago, DaBishop said:

Has the ability...isn't. Monroe would be an offensive force for us though, and do all the things plus some that Dwight did for Orlando on the offensive side. Defensively, he'd be giving us at least what Drummond is now giving us, though that's about it. 

What could we have traded Drummond for in 2015 though?

Greg Monroe is not going to do all the things Dwight did and then some.  He isn't even going to do all the things Dwight did.  Monroe doesn't even draw regular double teams.  Dwight in his prime was an athletic freak.  Monroe is a nice post up player.

And let's not get into defense.  Monroe is 6'10 and couldn't block my shot.

That being said, if we're talking hindsight, then you can argue we should keep Monroe and deal Drummond while he still had a cheap contract and was "unlimited potential."  Because you get nothing for a plodding center who plays below the basket while you might get some real value for Drummond on a rookie deal.

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Looking back you can't really even blame Dumars on the pick a whole lot - according to the interwebs, Draymond Green is the only player from that draft picked after Andre that's ever been to an all-star game. Piston's bad luck to have their best pick since Darko in a thin year.

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14 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Looking back you can't really even blame Dumars on the pick a whole lot - according to the interwebs, Draymond Green is the only player from that draft picked after Andre that's ever been to an all-star game. Piston's bad luck to have their best pick since Darko in a thin year.

Monroe and Knight were picked 7 and 8.  Drummond was 9.

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Monroe is a nice post player on offense.  At one time I though maybe you could build a 1 in 4 out offense around him.  But this team doesn't have the shooters for it.  Trading Andre might have helped it but this team needs multiple shooters.

And it's just different game from even when D12 was in his prime for Orlando.  Unless a guy is really going ham in the post, teams just don't double a lot in the post anymore.  They don't want to leave a 3PT shooter open to do it.

On 3PTA's where the shooter is more than 6 feet open, 8 teams shoot over 40%.  16 teams shoot over 38%.  You're better off letting the in the post go off and shoot 55% than you are to leave guys open for threes on the double.  If a team has a non-factor like a Tony Allen, sure you can use his defend to double the post guy since Allen cant shoot.  But most teams have 4 shooters on the floor.  

There is a reason Monroe has 0 starts in Milwaukee this year.

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2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

On 3PTA's where the shooter is more than 6 feet open, 8 teams shoot over 40%.  16 teams shoot over 38%.  You're better off letting the in the post go off and shoot 55% than you are to leave guys open for threes on the double.  

this is what is so amazing. Just for grins - going back to Wilt again - even he only shot better than 60% a handful of times in his career.

 

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