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1 hour ago, T&P_Fan said:

LB.  Where it is needed.

expecting two rookie linebackers coming off injuries (one of whom was a late 4th round pick, undersized, and will likely play on special teams if he is healthy) to turn the defense around is fool's gold.

i like the davis pick, but let's be realistic about his influence in year one.  

the lions defense was helped last year by the offense being so slow and deliberate, and was exposed at the end of the year.  

the hope is that ansah can actually be a pass rushing force and that can help the rest of the mediocre line.  robinson played better at the end of the year (after being a typical overmatched rookie for most of the season), and the hope is that he can make positive steps to filling ngata's declining production.

not one beat writer or serious lions observer thinks they have a good defensive line.  they have one very physically talented player, one promising rookie, one overachieving undersized pass rusher, one old former pro bowler, and a bunch of bodies.  the dline is a weakness.

its also a weakness they were able to overcome last year thanks to their qb.  hopefully they can make marginal improvements and have the same type of game results as last year.

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expecting two rookie linebackers coming off injuries (one of whom was a late 4th round pick, undersized, and will likely play on special teams if he is healthy) to turn the defense around is fool's gold.
i like the davis pick, but let's be realistic about his influence in year one.  
the lions defense was helped last year by the offense being so slow and deliberate, and was exposed at the end of the year.  
the hope is that ansah can actually be a pass rushing force and that can help the rest of the mediocre line.  robinson played better at the end of the year (after being a typical overmatched rookie for most of the season), and the hope is that he can make positive steps to filling ngata's declining production.
not one beat writer or serious lions observer thinks they have a good defensive line.  they have one very physically talented player, one promising rookie, one overachieving undersized pass rusher, one old former pro bowler, and a bunch of bodies.  the dline is a weakness.
its also a weakness they were able to overcome last year thanks to their qb.  hopefully they can make marginal improvements and have the same type of game results as last year.

It's a long season. The team will likely get off to a slow start, but some of those younger defensive players will improve and be able to take on larger roles as the season progresses. But that OL better pay off right away.

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7 minutes ago, Jason_R said:


It's a long season. The team will likely get off to a slow start, but some of those younger defensive players will improve and be able to take on larger roles as the season progresses. But that OL better pay off right away.

i think their offense will be improved if abdullah is healthy and ebron improves.  they still have issues at receiver that are holding their qb back.  there were a lot of times last year when there was no one open.  receivers having a hard time separating.

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Davis will probably struggle, but even if he is struggling it is still probably better than anything the Lions had at LB last year. The LB core was pathetic last year. It is a sad state of affairs when Worrilow is an important upgrade to the unit.

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1 hour ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

Davis will probably struggle, but even if he is struggling it is still probably better than anything the Lions had at LB last year. The LB core was pathetic last year. It is a sad state of affairs when Worrilow is an important upgrade to the unit.

i dont see worrilow as any sort of upgrade.  he is depth, special teams, and filler.

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I think he's an upgrade, not in coverage, but against the run. He's at least going to make the tackle that guys weren't making against Rawls, Elliot and co at the end of the season. Ideally he's your 4th LB though, yes, so we really we aren't far off.

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On 5/31/2017 at 8:33 PM, Buddha said:

i dont see worrilow as any sort of upgrade.  he is depth, special teams, and filler.

You sir, are 100% wrong. 

For the first time in internet history, Someone will change their opinion in 1 word.

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On 5/31/2017 at 2:35 PM, Jason_R said:

. But that OL better pay off right away.

That might be asking a lot. O lines normally take as much or more time than other areas of the team to start working well together after changes.

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44 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

That might be asking a lot. O lines normally take as much or more time than other areas of the team to start working well together after changes.

I know that's probably true, especially when bringing in rookie talent.  I wonder if there's a difference though when the upgrade is through FA & brings in veterans?  I would think the learning curve would be a little shorter.

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That might be asking a lot. O lines normally take as much or more time than other areas of the team to start working well together after changes.

The Lions gave up ten sacks in their first four games last year and started 1-3. These new OL are getting paid way too much to let that happen. And Quinn shelled out a ton of money so it wouldn't happen. If it does, it will be a long season.

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1 hour ago, Jason_R said:


The Lions gave up ten sacks in their first four games last year and started 1-3. These new OL are getting paid way too much to let that happen. And Quinn shelled out a ton of money so it wouldn't happen. If it does, it will be a long season.

I get not being able to fill every hole. What I don't get is spending all this money on O-line and not picking up insurance for Abdullah who is coming of a serious injury.

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11 hours ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

I get not being able to fill every hole. What I don't get is spending all this money on O-line and not picking up insurance for Abdullah who is coming of a serious injury.

I think its more like, you shouldn't need to invest more in the RB position, that's what you invested in the OL for.

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11 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Maclin was cut by the Chiefs. Perhaps he's a fit for the Lions?

COuldn't be mad at that

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No way to Maclin.  Need to get Golladay in as much as possible.  Also want to see Billingsley.  They already spend more than average at WR.  They are fine, he's lost a step or two.  Can't score.  Don't like his game.

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Meh, Golladay's probably not full on ready to be a starter(3rd WR is basically a starter to me) in year one, Maclin is 29 and had Alex Smith throwing him deep balls and I don't think he'd be crazy expensive nor are Tate and Jones.

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i'd rather wait and see if there are any other cap casualties at other more pressing positions like defensive line.

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On Sunday, June 04, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Nastradamus said:

Meh, Golladay's probably not full on ready to be a starter(3rd WR is basically a starter to me) in year one, Maclin is 29 and had Alex Smith throwing him deep balls and I don't think he'd be crazy expensive nor are Tate and Jones.

I am with you here.  I think Maclin helps and would be a welcomed addition.

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42 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i'd rather wait and see if there are any other cap casualties at other more pressing positions like defensive line.

or left tackle...

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Reports are Decker injured shoulder, needed surgery. Reports are out until December.

Robinson is next in line and has gotten hurt in limited action in the past. Not good

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2 hours ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

Reports are Decker injured shoulder, needed surgery. Reports are out until December.

Robinson is next in line and has gotten hurt in limited action in the past. Not good

Jesus, of course. Cheating refs.

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This is a big big disaster. You are looking at Robinson who can't stay healthy. Then either Lucas who is one of the worse NFL tackles I have ever seen. The alternative is Dahl who is much better suited at Guard.  LT is probably the 2nd most important position on a NFL team.

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