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18 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

It is really hard to say what direction any individual's life may go.

I am reasonably successful as an engineer and taking it all in, I tend to doubt I would be any more successful or a better engineer had I gone to Michigan or MIT, both of which I passed over to go to Detroit because it effectively was free. I came from a large family and my dad (who also graduated from Detroit) was recently laid off at the time - and ended up being underemployed the rest of his life.

I wouldn't do it over, but I would be lying if I didn't wonder periodically where I would be had I gone to MIT.  Impossible to know.

Missing out on catching on with MIT blackjack team for an effectively free education--we all make mistakes.

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The auto industry some of my dad's side of the family unemployed and then underemployed as well back in that time, so I can appreciate your situation.  That you made it out the other side and are making it happen for you and yours is the important part, Biggs.  Playing "what if" is only human, I guess.

That said, in my time here talking to kids in the middle of recruiting they never seem to go where you think they should go.  NC State took two local CB from VBHS years back.  One was barely going to get in and be high-risk academic, the other was a very good student--the two were/are best friends.  Both were first-generation Haitian-American and were handed nothing in life.

The better student had offers from Wake Forest and Boston College, but passed to play with his buddy.  He graduated in May and made six tackles in his career.  He very likely helped his buddy stay in school along the way.

The high-risk kid ended up being moved to a Viper-like position and was one of the hardest hitters in CFB the past two years.

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 He struggled with grades throughout, not sure if he graduated, but staying in school alone was an amazing feat.  He was signed as an UDFA by the Rams but left the team in May (undisclosed?). 

Who knows where these kids end up, but that these guys got to stick together is something  a degree from BC or WF couldn't buy these guys.

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9 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

High schools are going to love $1500 helmets.

I have lots to say and ask about this but real quick:

--That price tag obviously isn't going to fly.  New tech is always priced high initially, and who knows if this product is really the answer?  All but the wealthiest places would likely need angel donors to outfit their teams, and that's a huge problem.

--High schools (here in FL, specifically) at some point over the next few years, may have to start making tough decisions regarding how much sense it makes for them to carry a football team.  Now that kids are allowed to go to school anywhere here within their district it will boost football powerhouses and entrench the doormats.  Football is expensive to outfit, no doubt.

--Will football become similar to travel baseball where kids are buying their own helmets?  Will a kid's head grow much between 14-18?

--The trend I see down here is that football will go non-contact--eventually--up until the kids reach 8th grade or so.  Seven-on-seven has grown so much that it makes sense.

--Parents are holding their kids back from playing football now more than ever because of the increased awareness and publicity of CTE.   I don't know how much the best football helmet in the world will change minds.

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16 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Del, the Gators are going down. Zaire would have to transform into Cam Newton for them to have a chance.

 I think the count was seven players suspended for that first game.  The line in Vegas changed as well to favor Michigan by at least another point.

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What was the number?  9.5?  I think I would have to go under.

I think they lose to PSU and OSU.  Then they probably lose one to Florida or Wisconsin.  

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50 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

What was the number?  9.5?  I think I would have to go under.

I think they lose to PSU and OSU.  Then they probably lose one to Florida or Wisconsin.  

PSU is overrated.  they lucked into their offense last year.  That said, a night game in unhappy valley in prime time is probably a loss, as is a late season trip to cheese ville.

10-2 with a win over the buckeyes to salve the wounds.

Next year is MIchigan's year.

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9 hours ago, Buddha said:

PSU is overrated.  they lucked into their offense last year.  That said, a night game in unhappy valley in prime time is probably a loss, as is a late season trip to cheese ville.

10-2 with a win over the buckeyes to salve the wounds.

Next year is MIchigan's year.

It does seem like every year Michigan seems to put all the pieces together, it corresponds to an even year where we play osu on the road. 

I guess there is always 2019. 

I also agree that PSU is overrated. I don't get all the hype, but I'm mostly basing this on last year's PSU team. Why is the media/public so into osu? Is it because they won the big ten last year? Or do they return a lot of starters or something? I don't know because I don't really care about other teams in the preseason, but I could probably figure this out...

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because ohio state is loaded with talent, has a senior qb, and has one of the best coaches in football history.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

because ohio state is loaded with talent, has a senior qb, and has one of the best coaches in football history.

I was talking about PSU. I see that my fat fingers put an osu in there. 

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It sounds like Speight is the overwhelming favorite now to start at QB, and that's probably a good thing at this point.  If Harbaugh really believes in him, give the kid the reigns with three weeks left to practice and let the offense fall in behind him.

 The only spot I'm really worried about on offense is RT, and it seems like there are some who feel that a good performance over the next two weeks by true frosh Chuck Filiaga could win him the starting job.  No offense to Filiaga, as he was recruited as a kid who could contribute immediately because he's possibly the strongest OL on the team Day 1, but it isn't a glowing testimony to the ability of JBB or Runyan. 

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It is so hard to project this team right now with the question marks on the OL, IMO.  Practice is such a ****show for this position because the DL might be even better than last year, and it is deeper than advertised.

In before Buddah reminds us how good OSU's DL is again.

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16 hours ago, mickeyb105 said:

It is so hard to project this team right now with the question marks on the OL, IMO.  Practice is such a ****show for this position because the DL might be even better than last year, and it is deeper than advertised.

In before Buddah reminds us how good OSU's DL is again.

I'm more concerned about DB. We lost a lot there, including a Heisman finalist, & we're really young.

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2 minutes ago, djhutch said:

I'm more concerned about DB. We lost a lot there, including a Heisman finalist, & we're really young.

True. Although with the D line being pretty strong, we might have a bit more room for error. 

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5 minutes ago, Shelton said:

True. Although with the D line being pretty strong, we might have a bit more room for error. 

Just like our DL made Michigan's  secondary look better than it was for most of last season, I think the same thing happens this season. 

Peppers was effectively a LB last season, so counting him as a loss to the secondary is superficial.  This year's LB corps will cover better than last year's, and maybe tackle better. 

Lots of LOS jamming and press coverage makes sense for the CBs this season, and Brown is gonna blitz a lot. The team will get burned deep a bit, but we'll also see a lot of second-string QB action because Michigan's defense will live in the offensive backfield. 

 

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1 minute ago, mickeyb105 said:

Just like our DL made Michigan's  secondary look better than it was for most of last season, I think the same thing happens this season. 

Peppers was effectively a LB last season, so counting him as a loss to the secondary is superficial.  This year's LB corps will cover better than last year's, and maybe tackle better. 

Lots of LOS jamming and press coverage makes sense for the CBs this season, and Brown is gonna blitz a lot. The team will get burned deep a bit, but we'll also see a lot of second-string QB action because Michigan's defense will live in the offensive backfield. 

 

Offense seems like a big question mark overall. I have faith in speight, but not sure about the line, the RBs, or the receivers. 

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To me RT is the only legit weak link going into the season and that could change if Filiaga is the mauler everyone says he is.  They need holes for the RB to be effective.

 Evans/Isaac/Higdon/Walker have plenty of talent, and the WR corps deep-but-young.  Will any of them protect remotely as well as Smith?  Perry and McDoom return as the two most experienced receivers, but they both play slot.  Martin and Schoenle also play slot and apparently will see the field.  Kinda sounds like we'll see a healthy dose of spread, but who knows?  Empty sets with McDoom and DPJ running jet sweeps?  Black, DPJ and Crawford on the outside--so much talent, so little game experience.  WIll Ways play much?

TE should still be a point of strength, IMO, with Wheatley dropping weight and gaining speed in the off-season and Bunting returning.  Other guys like McKeon and Gentry will be in the mix, and I am definitely curious about Gentry after following his recruiting as a QB.

I'm not worried about Nordin and Robbins, but we've hit the reset button on our specialists.  Return men as well, although there are plenty of live, athletic bodies to put back there--McDoom, DPJ, and Thomas to name a few.  Peppers was so important in the return game, and it is hard to imagine not taking a step back.  Hopefully it isn't Jeremy Gallon first-year returning punts type of step back, but who knows with freshmen? 

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33 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

To me RT is the only legit weak link going into the season and that could change if Filiaga is the mauler everyone says he is.  They need holes for the RB to be effective.

 Evans/Isaac/Higdon/Walker have plenty of talent, and the WR corps deep-but-young.  Will any of them protect remotely as well as Smith?  Perry and McDoom return as the two most experienced receivers, but they both play slot.  Martin and Schoenle also play slot and apparently will see the field.  Kinda sounds like we'll see a healthy dose of spread, but who knows?  Empty sets with McDoom and DPJ running jet sweeps?  Black, DPJ and Crawford on the outside--so much talent, so little game experience.  WIll Ways play much?

TE should still be a point of strength, IMO, with Wheatley dropping weight and gaining speed in the off-season and Bunting returning.  Other guys like McKeon and Gentry will be in the mix, and I am definitely curious about Gentry after following his recruiting as a QB.

I'm not worried about Nordin and Robbins, but we've hit the reset button on our specialists.  Return men as well, although there are plenty of live, athletic bodies to put back there--McDoom, DPJ, and Thomas to name a few.  Peppers was so important in the return game, and it is hard to imagine not taking a step back.  Hopefully it isn't Jeremy Gallon first-year returning punts type of step back, but who knows with freshmen? 

There is potential at a lot of spots for sure. But it still qualifies as a big question mark to me until we see it. 

That said, it's the case for most teams. And it's better to have potential than to have guys proven to be mediocre at best or unproven guys with lower potential. 

Coach them up and hope it takes. 

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I'm not worried about any position with the team. The main concern is youth in general, but I think the schedule works out well for that. Florida is a tough game, but they are young as well, and I think with this being both team's first game, our experienced QB will be a huge advantage. I think after that the schedule is pretty easy, so the players can develop with experience for the meat of the schedule.

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Speight is just fine against Maryland, Rutgers and Michigan State.  When he faces real competition....not so hot.  Because he's an average QB at best.  Sometimes that's all you need if you have a great defense and running game, but I doubt Michigan has that this year.

Look, it's college football and you can catch lightning in a bottle (see Penn State at the end of last year) and win wome games you shouldn't win.  But this is really a 3-4 loss team.  The talent they have is too young for this year unless they get really lucky.

Next year should be their year.  Not this year.

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