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4 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

It was Westgate Sportsbook that had them at 9.5 wins.

Of course, the Mecca of sportsbooks.

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25 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Bovada has them:

Over 9 -175

Under 9 +145

And it's regular season wins only.

This basically means they have them as something like 9.3 wins, correct?

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So pretty much the bookmakers think Michigan loses to OSU in AA, PSU in Happy Valley and have them even-money vs UF at Arlington. (without looking at their lines for each individual games ATM)

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15 minutes ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

This basically means they have them as something like 9.3 wins, correct?

 I'm not sure to be honest.

I look at it and see one thing. People jumped on the over. 

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3 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

So pretty much the bookmakers think Michigan loses to OSU in AA, PSU in Happy Valley and have them even-money vs UF at Arlington. (without looking at their lines for each individual games ATM)

I think they lose to OSU and PSU. If you take the over, everything depends on the Florida and Wisconsin games. 

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9 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

So pretty much the bookmakers think Michigan loses to OSU in AA, PSU in Happy Valley and have them even-money vs UF at Arlington. (without looking at their lines for each individual games ATM)

The bookmakers don't know the Wolverines will win all the games.

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1 minute ago, Deleterious said:

I think they lose to OSU and PSU. If you take the over, everything depends on the Florida and Wisconsin games. 

I'm nervous about the CB situation more than anything else on the team.  The DL will help them out quite a bit, as I think they will be a top 15 defensive front, but there will come a time when the new corners will have to make plays--and that time will come against PSU.  I will hold my opinion on the PSU game until I see more of the CBs, but I don't think the projected starters (Hill and Long) are as talented as Washington, Thomas and St. Juste.  Watson hasn't impressed me much, either, but we'll see.

Florida and Wisconsin don't scare me much because I think Michigan stuffs their run, although Hornibrook is capable enough to pick apart a bad secondary.  

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16 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Class of 2019 5* DE Chris Hinton committed to Michigan this weekend.

http://247sports.com/Player/Chris-Hinton-89558

Michigan already has another 5* DE committed for that class.  

http://247sports.com/player/stephen-herron-jr-94130

2019 is a long ways away though.  

Having 5* bookends would be incredible if the commitments hold up.

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Hinton is the son of Chris Hinton, former NFL Pro Bowler and Northwestern graduate. He's gonna be solid, was never looking at SEC schools, was only looking at UM, Stanford, and NU. His little brother is expected to be another 5 star at OT in the 2020 class.

Herron was also a Stanford/UM battle. The high academic types like that are usually more likely to stick with their commitments.

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15 hours ago, TigerNation said:

The high academic types like that are usually more likely to stick with their commitments.

Kickers and punters tend to be more mercenary in this regard, but I definitely don't blame them.

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On 8/9/2017 at 7:24 AM, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

If I had the choice between Michigan and Stanford, the choice would be Stanford and it would be an easy one at that.

In general or if you were a five star defensive end?

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I would only choose Michigan in the hypothetical if I was convinced the level of coaching / instruction I received at UM relative to Stanford was great enough to significantly increase my chances of being successful in college -> NFL.

I don't know enough about Stanford's coaching staff right now to state whether I think that to be the case.  I doubt it is the case, but I can't say as that I know that, so perhaps it is a better choice than I suggest.

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I'm biased of course, but if I was down to those two schools for whatever reason, and coaching/developing looked like a push, I would pick the school that seemed most likely to be nationally relevant. I think PAC-12 schools don't get as much press as big ten schools. The quality of the team and likelihood of playing in the playoff would be another factor. Honestly not sure where Stanford is in that regard relative to Michigan. 

I don't think the quality of undergrad education is all that different for a division I football player between Michigan and Stanford. 

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Conversely, anyone who is getting into Stanford probably is interested in their undergraduate major beyond making sure they are eligible to play, but that is speculation on my part.

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And it isn't like Stanford doesn't send guys to the NFL.  If someone dominates in Palo Alto, they are getting drafted similar to if they dominate in Ann Arbor.

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

I'm biased of course, but if I was down to those two schools for whatever reason, and coaching/developing looked like a push, I would pick the school that seemed most likely to be nationally relevant. I think PAC-12 schools don't get as much press as big ten schools. The quality of the team and likelihood of playing in the playoff would be another factor. Honestly not sure where Stanford is in that regard relative to Michigan. 

I don't think the quality of undergrad education is all that different for a division I football player between Michigan and Stanford. 

The quality of undergraduate education *available* at UM vs SU is probably not different enough to argue about. The quality of undergraduate education actually pursued by Div I athletes is another matter.

The interesting question is:  Now that Harbaugh is here, is he more supportive of players who want to do more difficult majors than he believes the UM regime he criticized in the past as a Cardinal was? 

College of Engineering is too far away both literally and figuratively for me to have heard much of anything about that.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Conversely, anyone who is getting into Stanford probably is interested in their undergraduate major beyond making sure they are eligible to play, but that is speculation on my part.

I would also argue that anyone interested in Stanford because of that would be equally as interested in pursuing the same level of coursework at Michigan. 

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17 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

The quality of undergraduate education *available* at UM vs SU is probably not different enough to argue about. The quality of undergraduate education actually pursued by Div I athletes is another matter.

The interesting question is:  Now that Harbaugh is here, is he more supportive of players who want to do more difficult majors than he believes the UM regime he criticized in the past as a Cardinal was?

I think at the end of the day, it's up to the player the types of classes he takes. It is possible/likely that certain majors or course loads are pushed more at one school vs another. Perhaps the rocks for jocks path popular at Michigan is not available to Stanford players. But just because there may be an easier path available to UM players doesn't mean that an individual player will take the easy path. 

If a kid likes Stanford because of the education, he can do the same at Michigan. That said, the mere availability of an easier path could result in a player backing down in the face of an academic challenge, rather than brining himself up to meet the requirements. That's more of a macro view. For an individual player, I think he is the one that charts his own academic course. 

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