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On 1/29/2018 at 5:41 PM, Deleterious said:

Brady Hoke gets his first NFL job. He will be the defensive line coach for the Panthers.

I can see that being a good fit.

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Michigan's quest for a LT is ongoing, as Anderson appears to be a Texas lean and Patterson "appears" to be down to UCLA and ND.

There is supposedly a grad x-fer very interested from a school in the SE region.

Also, Baumgardner continues to beat the Bradenson to LT drum.  IF they don't get a grad LT, this may be a necessary evil.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/01/31/michigan-wolverines-football-film-study-ol-ben-bredeson/1081413001/

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In an ideal world, U-M would leave him at guard and let him grow there. But this doesn't seem ideal. Bredeson at left tackle might be an issue, as I'm not sure he's ready to handle the speed/strength combination some of the Big Ten's top edge rushers possess. 

Right tackle seems more possible. Bushell-Beatty was a better option out there in the ground game, which may have been the reason why Michigan never gave Bredeson a shot on the right edge this season. But what U-M might lose in pile-pushing, it could more than gain with pass protection. 

Bredeson's entering his third year. He'll be stronger and more seasoned. He's a smart player who adjusts quickly. If Michigan's looking for its best five linemen, Bredeson is absolutely in the conversation. And barring the emergence of a younger player with no experience, the Wolverines may have to kick him outside and see if he can hold things down on the edge. 

 

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1 hour ago, mickeyb105 said:

Michigan's quest for a LT is ongoing, as Anderson appears to be a Texas lean and Patterson "appears" to be down to UCLA and ND.

There is supposedly a grad x-fer very interested from a school in the SE region.

Also, Baumgardner continues to beat the Bradenson to LT drum.  IF they don't get a grad LT, this may be a necessary evil.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/01/31/michigan-wolverines-football-film-study-ol-ben-bredeson/1081413001/

 

two more misses.  waa always going to be hard to pull that kid from texas.  if they lose out to nd that will hurt.

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31 minutes ago, Buddha said:

two more misses.  waa always going to be hard to pull that kid from texas.  if they lose out to nd that will hurt.

It seems like the uncertainty involving Drevno's status with the staff was a stumble Patterson couldn't get past, but just a guess.

But yeah, Harbaugh is running out of bullets this cycle.

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If they land Anderson and Petit-Frere they are pretty damn loaded up. Just please don't strike out on both unless it means Greg Little lol. 

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3 hours ago, Nastradamus said:

If they land Anderson and Petit-Frere they are pretty damn loaded up. Just please don't strike out on both unless it means Greg Little lol. 

Getting both would be incredible, and Petit-Frere would have a whole season to soak up what Anderson has to offer as a mentor. 

Obviously, this is a long shot but it is fun to imagine how it could be. 

Little is the dream for sure. 

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Lots of movement on the quarterback position for Michigan recruiting over the past few days.

I'm not sure what the real order of these things may be, but one can imagine.  Here's the best I can figure.

1.  Shae Patterson's chances to play in 2018 seem to be depending on sceen shots the Ole Miss players are using as evidence.  It may mean the NCAA won't make a decision until early April, though.

https://www.landof10.com/michigan/michigan-football-shea-patterson-transfer-eligibility-rule

2.  Kevin Doyle, Michigan's 3* commit from the D.C. area, has decommitted from Michigan.  Could it be that he was waiting to see if Patterson was going to be able to play in '18?  There are theories that Patterson would just move on to an FBS school if he couldn't play at Michigan in 2018 in order to play this year . . . and then declare for the '19 draft.  A year off probably wasn't an option for the former #1 QB in the country.

That said, Doyle is an underrated 3* who could really play right away at some programs.  At better programs, like Michigan, he could possibly need longer to make an impact due to depth chart, reps, complexity of playbook and adjustment to playing against better talent.  Bama just lost a 4* to Princeton, and this was a kid they really wanted.  Could Doyle be a fallback?

3.  Michigan just took  on Utica Eisenhower 2* QB Max Wittwer as a preferred walk-on.  Wittwer, 6'2" 185, was committed to Air Force and is a dual-threat QB.  This gives Harbaugh another Michigan kid, high GPA overachiever-type, and a necessary depth addition without eating a scholly right now.  At one point, Wittwer lead his squad to a 19-1 record over a period of 20 games before getting hurt this season.  

The Freep ran a story about him in September.

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Max Wittwer appears to be the best answer at the moment to what is typically an annual question.

A senior quarterback for Utica Eisenhower, Wittwer would probably get a lot of votes for anyone asking: “Who is the best high school football player in the state not getting much interest from college programs?”

By the time the start of practice rolled around in August, his only scholarship offer from an FBS school was from Eastern Michigan. He also earned an offer from Eastern Kentucky, an FCS program that plays in the Ohio Valley Conference.

Wittwer said he went to camps at Michigan State, Purdue and Western Michigan, among others over the off-season.

“I was a little disappointed,” Wittwer said. “I felt I competed my hardest and gave it everything I had in front of those coaches. But sometimes, some things are not meant to be. But I’m still trying to keep my options and stay positive. I’m going to go out here and have a great senior season with my brothers.”

 

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Michigan got a commitment from Northville K Jake Moody yesterday.  Moody had offers from CMU, AF, BGSU,  and others but decided to take the grayshirt/blushirt option at Michigan.  Moody projects as a kickoff guy who could develop into a full-time kicker role, as well as depth at the punter spot.

Kohl's has Moody ranked as the #14 K and #61 P in the country.  Reading between the lines, Moody doesn't have the technique to punt right now at the BCS level right now but has the tools to eventually be a competent specialist.  His exaggerated hip swivel (not as bad as Jason Hanson, but what is?) creeps into his punting technique, which can increase distance when he gets the ball right (nuts it, gets the ball to turn over into a spiral) but decreases the possibility of catching the ball solid consistently. . . and can have a negative impact on height/hang-time.  He hit a 56 yd FG last season, so the kid has leg.

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Moody recently attended the National Scholarship Camp in July of 2017. His leg strength has gotten better and he was impressive on field goals and kickoffs at camp. He has the ability to punt in college but needs to work on consistency of his drop and keeping it more in line with his leg swing up and through the ball. He charted 26 points on FG and had a KO score of 106.7. We feel that Moody is a D1 scholarship kicker who will continue to develop in punting as well. His leg speed is outstanding and different than most top level players in the 2018 class.

http://www.hudl.com/v/281nQD

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npf to ohio state.

cant wait for all the homer "they really like their class" articles about all their 3* and pwo players.

if they lose reese too this will be a very bad class for a team like michigan.

and - again - they dont get the oline recruits they need.

they need a really good season next year.

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you cant compete with osu with classes like this.  they cant afford another one next year.

this year's team wasnt any good because its base was too really poor brady hoke classes.  the team two years ago was solid because its base was two top 5 classes from brady hoke.  the key to being 10-2 every year instead of 8-5 is having top 5-10ish level receuiting classes every year.  michigan should be at that level.

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and - again - only ONE TACKLE and five million defensive backs.  only ONE QB and he's more athlete than qb who (sorry mickey) is more likely to end up at tight end or receiver.  this is how you end up with scrambling to take grad transfers like o'korn every year.

this class really is a disaster.

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33 minutes ago, Buddha said:

npf to ohio state.

cant wait for all the homer "they really like their class" articles about all their 3* and pwo players.

if they lose reese too this will be a very bad class for a team like michigan.

and - again - they dont get the oline recruits they need.

they need a really good season next year.

NPF's mom really liked OSU, supposedly--so much for practicing at his high school.

Anderson is supposedly a Michigan lean right now, but he's visiting Auburn next.

Here's a link to the Reese announcement--Webb says he's Blue as of last night, we'll see.

http://www.esenetworks.com/live-event.aspx?id=124437&live-event-id=167784

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19 minutes ago, Buddha said:

you cant compete with osu with classes like this.  they cant afford another one next year.

this year's team wasnt any good because its base was too really poor brady hoke classes.  the team two years ago was solid because its base was two top 5 classes from brady hoke.  the key to being 10-2 every year instead of 8-5 is having top 5-10ish level receuiting classes every year.  michigan should be at that level.

I think it is OK to chalk up some of what happened last year--and with the OL recruits to some degree as well--to bad luck.  That attrition on the OL was massive, and it had some hand in Michigan's three-quarterback fire drill.  The lack of development from upperclassmen receivers like Ways, Harris and Perry were also a killer.

I agree that they can't have another class like this for three years or else things could get ugly.  However, the roster is set up for success right now for the next two years if the players develop at even an average pace IMO.

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24 minutes ago, Buddha said:

and - again - only ONE TACKLE and five million defensive backs.  only ONE QB and he's more athlete than qb who (sorry mickey) is more likely to end up at tight end or receiver.  this is how you end up with scrambling to take grad transfers like o'korn every year.

this class really is a disaster.

Hey, I'm with you here Buddha.

The amount of defensive backs taken this time around was staggering to me.  Perhaps Jim knows he's losing more guys to attrition?  I hope not, but man, it is like he didn't want anyone else in the conference to sign a lanky CB from the class.

Milton has always been a project, but a worthy project for a team like Michigan who can line up three QB to give the kid time to develop.  I thought the same thing about Gardner when he was a senior, FWIIW, although it is impossible to say how he would have been had he stayed a pure QB the entire time he was at Michigan.  One of the things to like about Milton is that he played against some of the best competition in the country with some very limited assets to work with on offense.  No system made him look good.  The flip side?  The kid may have developed some mechanical habits because he was always running for his life. We'll see, but when Harbaugh told Doyle to go to prep school if he wanted to stay a Michigan commit, he told the better quarterback that he needed--to get better.

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24 minutes ago, Buddha said:

you cant compete with osu with classes like this.  they cant afford another one next year.

this year's team wasnt any good because its base was too really poor brady hoke classes.  the team two years ago was solid because its base was two top 5 classes from brady hoke.  the key to being 10-2 every year instead of 8-5 is having top 5-10ish level receuiting classes every year.  michigan should be at that level.

Agreed. You can paper over that kind of thing with an elite QB or an elite o line unit or something like that, but overall they will need consistently good classes to get the level of osu. 

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2 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Sam Webb says Reese to Georgia.  Man, wth?

They flipped him overnight.

They bought him.  

I hate the SEC.

Edit:  this is coming from the Lee County football staff, so we'll see.

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Just now, Buddha said:

now reese is gone too?

disaster level class.

Kirby Smart just got announced at Reese's signing---I am pretty sure I hate him even more now.

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