2017 NFL Draft Thread

[cruzer1 85]

1 hour ago, pyrotigers said:

One of those guys was hurt all last year and did nothing, one of them is one more problem from being out of the league, one of them is a journeyman pass rusher, and one of them is a zero pass rush late round pick

If that's your idea of a strong position group, the Lions have zero needs and should be favorites for the Super Bowl next year.

Who needs a RB? They have Abdullah, Riddick, Zenner, AND Washington! The depth! The talent!

That is a strong position group.  It can use another pass rusher, but it isn't their only need.  I don't think it's their #1 need.  I expect them to resign Bryant.

[RandyMarsh 185]

Kiper now has us taking Marlin Humprhey CB out of Alabama.   I mean I know we could use another CB other than SLay but I would still much prefer them either getting a pass rusher or dynamic offensive weapon. 

[MAROTH4MVP 55]

6 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

That is a strong position group.  It can use another 3 pass rushers, but it isn't their only need.   It's their #1 need.  I expect them to resign Bryant.

FIFY

[Mr.TaterSalad 176]

Another day, another mock draft. This one with no trades.

1st: Zach Cunningham: OLB/Vanderbilt

2nd: DeMarcus Walker: DE/Florida St.

3rd: Jake ****: TE/Michigan

4th: Howard Wilson: CB/UCLA

5th: Nazair Jones: DT/UNC

6th: Amba Etta-Tawo: WR/Syracuse

6th: Jeremiah Ledbetter: DT/Arkansas

7th: Zack Johnson: G/North Dakota State

 

[Nastradamus 224]

20 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

That is a strong position group.  It can use another pass rusher, but it isn't their only need.  I don't think it's their #1 need.  I expect them to resign Bryant.

Its not their number one need, but it has the potential to make as big an impact as any other add we could make. Two stud pass rushers goes a long way. 

[Nastradamus 224]

19 hours ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

20 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Kiper now has us taking Marlin Humprhey CB out of Alabama.   I mean I know we could use another CB other than SLay but I would still much prefer them either getting a pass rusher or dynamic offensive weapon. 

 

I really think its important to stop looking at it this way. This team needs good players. I'd prefer a DL or LB myself, but if they think a stud CB is sitting there at 21, are we really gonna ***** that we're too good at CB? Get value, get better

[Mr.TaterSalad 176]

6 minutes ago, Nastradamus said:

I really think its important to stop looking at it this way. This team needs good players. I'd prefer a DL or LB myself, but if they think a stud CB is sitting there at 21, are we really gonna ***** that we're too good at CB? Get value, get better

There is the argument to be made though that a solid front 7 will help a mediocre secondary cover its weaknesses up and look better than it actually is (see Lions Defense circa 2014). With that, some may feel there is no need to spend a 1st rounder on a corner when you have potentially have the chance to upgrade the DL.

[Buddha 294]

The lions have a poor defensive line.  Ansah has potential to be very good.  Ngata is old as dirt.  Taylor is gone.  Bryant is a suspension waiting to happen.  Zettel does nothing particularly well.  Walker had his chance last year and was terrible.  Charles was a huge disappointment.

Robinson got better as the year went on.  Thats about the best you can say for them.

Cruzer mistakes "guys who are on the field for the lions", as evidence of depth and talent.  The lions need defensive tackles like no ones business.

They also need linebackers.  And if they dont overpay reiff, they will need another tackle.  Most likely they let warford go and overpay reiff and then sign another couple backups.

I see this draft as another attempt to build the lines and add speed on defense and at the skill positions.  Take the best player that falls to you who can help you at the positions at which you are the weakest: LB, DT/DE, OLine, rb or wr.

[Nastradamus 224]

22 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

There is the argument to be made though that a solid front 7 will help a mediocre secondary cover its weaknesses up and look better than it actually is (see Lions Defense circa 2014). With that, some may feel there is no need to spend a 1st rounder on a corner when you have potentially have the chance to upgrade the DL.

Yah, I just think you have to be careful with that thinking. We aren't in a SB or bust year. We are thin at CB, Lawson is a FA after the season and we lack size. I say don't be afraid to get talent everywhere. 

Now, if for some reason Quinn does want to take a SB or bust approach this year, then you load up the DL, try like **** to cover your *** in the back 7 and top off the offense. 

[Nastradamus 224]

8 minutes ago, Buddha said:

The lions have a poor defensive line.  Ansah has potential to be very good.  Ngata is old as dirt.  Taylor is gone.  Bryant is a suspension waiting to happen.  Zettel does nothing particularly well.  Walker had his chance last year and was terrible.  Charles was a huge disappointment.

Robinson got better as the year went on.  Thats about the best you can say for them.

Cruzer mistakes "guys who are on the field for the lions", as evidence of depth and talent.  The lions need defensive tackles like no ones business.

They also need linebackers.  And if they dont overpay reiff, they will need another tackle.  Most likely they let warford go and overpay reiff and then sign another couple backups.

I see this draft as another attempt to build the lines and add speed on defense and at the skill positions.  Take the best player that falls to you who can help you at the positions at which you are the weakest: LB, DT/DE, OLine, rb or wr.

Yup, well put. This offseason will likely be very similar to last year's. They could use the line help early and they could use another Dahl and Williams. 

On the DL, I think Hyder is a good 3rd DE, Robinson can start at NT and I re-sign Charles to back him up, or someone similar in talent and price. You need 2 under tackles(Ngata has to go), a starting LDE and maybe one more DE. Bryant at least produced for us, so he's some what intriguing. Zettel is a body. I like his motor though. 

At LB, you probably are stuck with Levy. You draft a potential replacement to groom though late. You need an above average starter at MLB to be added and you probably have to live with Bynes vs Williams at SLB, with Kilebrew as the nickel, moneybacker type. You can only do so much in one offseason. 

[Buddha 294]

If were super bowl or bust then we sign a de and a cb and draft a rb in round 1.

I dont think they will do that.

[Nastradamus 224]

55 minutes ago, Buddha said:

If were super bowl or bust then we sign a de and a cb and draft a rb in round 1.

I dont think they will do that.

I'd say DE and DT and draft a RB. If its super bowl or bust in a one year scenario your only shot is a stud offense and a stud pass rush. 

[cruzer1 85]

They can get linemen in the middle rounds.  They need linebacking help too.  They also need help on offense.  I hope they can resign at least one of their ol, since this isn't a great draft for ol.  I'd love for them to take a TE in the middle rounds, and a RB.  This is too good of a RB/TE draft for them to not participate.  I would also love a WR with speed.  My guy (Corey Davis) should be long gone by the time the Lions pick.

[Buddha 294]

5 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

They can get linemen in the middle rounds.  They need linebacking help too.  They also need help on offense.  I hope they can resign at least one of their ol, since this isn't a great draft for ol.  I'd love for them to take a TE in the middle rounds, and a RB.  This is too good of a RB/TE draft for them to not participate.  I would also love a WR with speed.  My guy (Corey Davis) should be long gone by the time the Lions pick.

Would you take oj howard in round one?

[cruzer1 85]

2 hours ago, Buddha said:

Would you take oj howard in round one?

Great player who might be best player,  but I can't pull the trigger there. 

[Nastradamus 224]

8 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

They can get linemen in the middle rounds.  They need linebacking help too.  They also need help on offense.  I hope they can resign at least one of their ol, since this isn't a great draft for ol.  I'd love for them to take a TE in the middle rounds, and a RB.  This is too good of a RB/TE draft for them to not participate.  I would also love a WR with speed.  My guy (Corey Davis) should be long gone by the time the Lions pick.

Strong FA TE class too. Not necessarily high end, but a lot of guys who could fit the role we are looking for. 

 

To Buddha's question, I can't draft a move te in the first. Ebron would have to be traded for some value at the least. Doesn't seem like this draft can set up for us where he's an overwhelming value at 21. Trade down if he is. Gil Brandt said there's 50 first round grades this year. I don't think I buy it, but if there's any truth to it, trade back like a mother ****er 

[Nastradamus 224]

8 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

They can get linemen in the middle rounds.  They need linebacking help too.  They also need help on offense.  I hope they can resign at least one of their ol, since this isn't a great draft for ol.  I'd love for them to take a TE in the middle rounds, and a RB.  This is too good of a RB/TE draft for them to not participate.  I would also love a WR with speed.  My guy (Corey Davis) should be long gone by the time the Lions pick.

You can't pass on Davis if he does fall though. WR1 isn't a pressing need, but we also don't have one and the value is overwhelming in that scenario IMO. 

I don't disagree about their needs, but I do think adding a premier talent is priority #1, and there's a solid gap before you get to next need. Then LB and then another gap and then every other position is pretty much equal after that. It would be reasonable to spend a pick on any position on the roster IMO, though I'd prefer to leave out QB and specialists this year myself. 

 

[cruzer1 85]

I've seen Davis go top 5 in a couple of mocks.  I don't see him dropping.  It is more possible that Cook drops because of previous gun charges.

[Nastradamus 224]

1 minute ago, cruzer1 said:

I've seen Davis go top 5 in a couple of mocks.  I don't see him dropping.  It is more possible that Cook drops because of previous gun charges.

Yup, though I don't think Davis goes top 5 either. 

[Buddha 294]

17 hours ago, Nastradamus said:

Strong FA TE class too. Not necessarily high end, but a lot of guys who could fit the role we are looking for. 

 

To Buddha's question, I can't draft a move te in the first. Ebron would have to be traded for some value at the least. Doesn't seem like this draft can set up for us where he's an overwhelming value at 21. Trade down if he is. Gil Brandt said there's 50 first round grades this year. I don't think I buy it, but if there's any truth to it, trade back like a mother ****er 

I could see the lions roll with howard and ebron.  Ebron isnt really a tight end, just a tall receiver.

[Nastradamus 224]

7 hours ago, Buddha said:

I could see the lions roll with howard and ebron.  Ebron isnt really a tight end, just a tall receiver.

That seeems to be the opinion of Howard too though. Get someone who can play true in line TE I say. 

[cruzer1 85]

The best FA TE might be Jack Doyle.  I don't think it is that strong.  M Bennett is too old for me.

[Nastradamus 224]

5 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

The best FA TE might be Jack Doyle.  I don't think it is that strong.  M Bennett is too old for me.

I like Bennett, but i get the age worry. A guy like Doyle is perfect for us. 

When I say its a strong FA class, I don't mean there are a bunch of Gronkowskis out there. Its very deep with guys you'd be comfortable playing as part of a 2 TE set though. Doyle, Sims, Tamme, Davis, Griffith and a handful of others, plus Bennett. We need bodies at TE badly. I say trade Ebron and treat it like safety last year. 

[Buddha 294]

Bennett is a flake.  Not sure I would do that.  Plays when he wants to play, and talks all the time.

 

[Nastradamus 224]

6 hours ago, Buddha said:

Bennett is a flake.  Not sure I would do that.  Plays when he wants to play, and talks all the time.

 

Yah, I'm not saying pull out all the stops and go get him, but I do think he's a top 10 TE and he both blocks and catches. That's a damn tough commodity to find. I never heard of any effort issues from him