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That will probably be the first group of young men to be invited to the White House that won't refuse the invitation in protest.  

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

That will probably be the first group of young men to be invited to the White House that won't refuse the invitation in protest.  

Did you miss the clemson football team's visit a couple of weeks ago? 

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It would be a complete waste of money.  The GOP is fully committed to Trump. 

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28 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

Did you miss the clemson football team's visit a couple of weeks ago? 

It was a joke.  

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11 hours ago, Euphdude said:

It would be a complete waste of money.  The GOP is fully committed to Trump. 

I don't accept that.   He's placed his Gauleiters around the party to be sure.  Many would shift back if things returned to the party of the Bush family and Reagan. 

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11 hours ago, Euphdude said:

It would be a complete waste of money.  The GOP is fully committed to Trump. 

Trump won't lose a primary, but you can attack him early and often in a primary and loosen him up. Jimmy Carter and George HW Bush didn't do well when they faced a tough primary.

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Trump won't lose a primary, but you can attack him early and often in a primary and loosen him up. Jimmy Carter and George HW Bush didn't do well when they faced a tough primary.

Would Nixon have lost a primary in 1976 if he could have run?

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2 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Would Nixon have lost a primary in 1976 if he could have run?

So you mean if watergate hadn’t happened?  He was ineligible in 76 because he’d have served 2 terms. 

If Agnew didn’t have his thing and became president I think he’d have been beaten by Reagan in the primary.  

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2 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Would Nixon have lost a primary in 1976 if he could have run?

Probably but I feel those were different times. Nixon didn't have a propaganda outlet like Fox News. He didn't have Twitter and social media where he could rally the troops. Nixon also didn't have as much support from the GOP as Trump does. 

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Just now, Oblong said:

So you mean if watergate hadn’t happened?  He was ineligible in 76 because he’d have served 2 terms. 

If Agnew didn’t have his thing and became president I think he’d have been beaten by Reagan in the primary.  

I took it to mean that had Nixon not resigned or been impeached and eligible to run, would he still lose a primary given that we would now know about Watergate. I think he would have lost but those were different times. We knew what Trump was before he ran and he still got elected. I don't have faith in the American people anymore. Nixon conned the American people. We didn't see his true stripes until after he got elected. Trump's dirt has been visible since the 80's. 

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9 minutes ago, Oblong said:

So you mean if watergate hadn’t happened?  He was ineligible in 76 because he’d have served 2 terms. 

If Agnew didn’t have his thing and became president I think he’d have been beaten by Reagan in the primary.  

Hey! .......HEY! Of course I knew he couldn't run.   That's why I asked if he could run. 

 

btw, recall the Dan Ackeroyd as Nixon skit on SNL's early days when he is spending his days writing spurious letters to the Newspapers demanding that the Constitution be amended to allow him to run for another term. 

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The essential thing is that you have to use the weapons at hand.  Of course it was a waste of human life to bomb the German oil industry and railroad networks but those things made victory in Normandy in 1944 possible.  

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And don't give me this "this would only make him stronger" bs.  He's weak and weakening by the day as he shows his clown *** to the World.   The effects are being felt.   They apparently are really being felt by people who are doing their tax returns early.   I understand the average person is going to pay 10% more after all is said and done.   But, don't worry the Mercers, the Kushner's, the Trumps and the Ross families will all do pretty well. 

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12 hours ago, stanpapi said:

Did you miss the clemson football team's visit a couple of weeks ago? 

Did you see that Golden State met with Obama instead?  Hilarious.

 

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2 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

I don't accept that.   He's placed his Gauleiters around the party to be sure.  Many would shift back if things returned to the party of the Bush family and Reagan. 

I guess I would say that a primary challenge against Trump would be more irrelevant than anything else. I would say that what has happened is that a segment of the population has coalesced into a voting block that is interested neither Democratic ideas NOR Reagan-Bush ideas. The voters of that block, via the networks of the evangelical church, social media and Fox etc, and helped along by the kid of propagandizing coming from places like the Koch organizations, have now found each other and their common ideology and Donald Trump is their apotheosis. Any one who wins these voters from Trump is going to be every bit as bad as Trump.

A primary challenge will not cost Trump that core, and it really won't weaken him with the independents that elected him because they left him long ago. I would argue the reality is what happens in the GOP primary won't matter much because there is no way for Trump to lose the nomination and likewise no way for him to win re-election. Yes, it's possible that the earth could careen off its axis, the Sun could go nova, and the Dems could re-nominate Hillary, but I'm not going spend much time worrying about that chance.

I think the only real chance of disaster is if a moderate Republican like Kasich (OK someone like Kasich but that can actually get people to vote for him) starts out to primary Trump but then ends up running as an independent and splits the 60% of the country that otherwise is going to vote against Trump and so re-elects him.

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8 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I guess I would say that a primary challenge against Trump would be more irrelevant than anything else. I would say that what has happened it that a segment of the population has coalesced into a voting block that is interested neither Democratic ideas NOR Reagan-Bush ideas. The voters of that block, via the networks of the evangelical church, social media and Fox etc, and helped along by the kid of propagandizing coming from places like the Koch organizations, have now found each other and their common ideology and Donald Trump is their apotheosis. Any one who wins these voters from Trump is going to be every bit as bad as Trump.

A primary challenge will not cost Trump that core, and it really won't weaken him with the independents that elected him because they left him long ago. I would argue the reality is what happens in the GOP primary won't matter much because there is no way for Trump to lose the nomination and likewise no way for him to win re-election. Yes, it's possible that the earth could careen off its axis, the Sun could go nova, and the Dems could re-nominate Hillary, but I'm not going spend much time worrying about that chance.

I think the only real chance of disaster is if a moderate republican like Kasich (OK someone like Kasich but that can actually get people to vote for him) starts out to primary Trump but then ends up running as an independent and splits the 60% of the country that is going to vote against Trump and so re-elects him.

Depends who the D nominee is too. If it’s a hard liberal then yes we’re back to 2016 where people will say they hate trump but just can’t vote for X either.  So Trump wins with 40 % due to anomalies in state voting.  But then again I just don’t see a path for him electorally.  He won’t win the industrial 3 and probably loses AZ too. Florida was close as well. 

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1 minute ago, Oblong said:

Depends who the D nominee is too. If it’s a hard liberal then yes we’re back to 2016 where people will say they hate trump but just can’t vote for X either.  So Trump wins with 40 % due to anomalies in state voting.  But then again I just don’t see a path for him electorally.  He won’t win the industrial 3 and probably loses AZ too. Florida was close as well. 

I don't think Clinton was a hard liberal.  She seemed closer to the center.  People just didn't like her for various reasons.    

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4 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Trump won’t risk losing.

He won’t run.

He can lose and then claim it was rigged and his base will believe him.  If things get really ugly popularity wise though, I agree he won't run.  

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3 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Depends who the D nominee is too.

The language of post my have been a little whimsical but my basic argument is that no-one in the prospective field gives Trump anything like the chance Hillary did.

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6 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't think Clinton was a hard liberal.  She seemed closer to the center.  People just didn't like her for various reasons.    

I agree. It wasn't her politics, it was her. I believe that is true in most US elections. American general elections are mostly about personality and somewhat about identity, less about policy. Primaries generally winnow out the more radical policy people so they never make it to generals.

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13 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Trump won’t risk losing.

He won’t run.

Interesting 

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