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3 hours ago, ewsieg said:

He's admitted it for a long time.  He was just very sensitive about the idea of folks using it as a means to say he was not the legitimate president.  

He's the President of the United States. He should do what his predecessors did and ignore the haters, especially when it pertains to matters of national security.

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I voted for my County Judge, who is a Republican. His positive qualities did enough to pull me around to voting for him again. There were a couple of others I would have considered going for under normal circumstances, but these aren't normal times and I don't think the GOP will change unless it takes some losses. 

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3 hours ago, ewsieg said:

He's admitted it for a long time.  He was just very sensitive about the idea of folks using it as a means to say he was not the legitimate president.  

He isn’t 

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19 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I voted for my County Judge, who is a Republican. His positive qualities did enough to pull me around to voting for him again. There were a couple of others I would have considered going for under normal circumstances, but these aren't normal times and I don't think the GOP will change unless it takes some losses. 

We have a candidate for state rep who has been accused of embezzlement. I refused to vote for the Trumpublican, wrote in Dot Warner

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Benjamin Wittes has a good thread on voting GOP. Essentially we only hav e two parties. Trump represents a real threat to the rule of law. He heads one party.  That party doesn’t want to or cannot stop him.  Therefore the only responsible thing is to vote for the other party which doesn’t represent a threat to the rule of law. 

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9 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Benjamin Wittes has good thread on voting GOP. Essentially we only hav e two parties. Trump represents a real threat to the rule of law. He heads one party.  That party doesn’t want to or cannot stop him.  Therefore the only responsible thing is to vote for the other party which doesn’t represent a threat to the rule of law. 

I'd say he has it right.

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19 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Benjamin Wittes has a good thread on voting GOP. Essentially we only hav e two parties. Trump represents a real threat to the rule of law. He heads one party.  That party doesn’t want to or cannot stop him.  Therefore the only responsible thing is to vote for the other party which doesn’t represent a threat to the rule of law. 

Until that other party isn’t that

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57 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Benjamin Wittes has a good thread on voting GOP. Essentially we only hav e two parties. Trump represents a real threat to the rule of law. He heads one party.  That party doesn’t want to or cannot stop him.  Therefore the only responsible thing is to vote for the other party which doesn’t represent a threat to the rule of law. 

I would add that oversight of the executive and good governance are as legitimate campaign issues as health care, immigration or anything else. It all just sort of depends on the person.

For me, I just dont see how they change if they dont take serious losses. It's that simple.

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48 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Until that other party isn’t that

I've swung back and forth several times in a lifetime. It's probably how the system should work. It was misplaced party loyalty that produced Hillary as a candidate and is misplaced party loyalty that now allows Trump to run amok. 

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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

I would add that oversight of the executive and good governance are as legitimate campaign issues as health care, immigration or anything else. It all just sort of depends on the person.

For me, I just dont see how they change if they dont take serious losses. It's that simple.

They need a Michigan vs Rutgers level whooping 

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I've swung back and forth several times in a lifetime. It's probably how the system should work. It was misplaced party loyalty that produced Hillary as a candidate and is misplaced party loyalty that now allows Trump to run amok. 

Genetically a “Yang”.  No longer because they have twisted the sacred words

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1 hour ago, ROMAD1 said:

They need a Michigan vs Rutgers level whooping 

Hey! Hey.... look-Rutgers is the best We here in Jersey can do.  

(College football ain’t our forte.)?

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5 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I voted for my County Judge, who is a Republican. His positive qualities did enough to pull me around to voting for him again. There were a couple of others I would have considered going for under normal circumstances, but these aren't normal times and I don't think the GOP will change unless it takes some losses. 

The only Republican I voted for was one who once called my friend back after he called and requested help in fighting a deceptive billing practice by Directv, and was somehow able to put some heat on to get the fee waved.  It's a state senator; I think he's MAGA-y, but the Democrat was a loony tune, so I went with the one who once helped out a friend.

I will do the same for the city councilman who called me back once and voted against the Jaguars subsidies, even though he is MAGA-y as well.

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42 minutes ago, tigerbomb13 said:

i was just thinking the same as I saw this tweet. 

Oompa Loompa

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8 hours ago, chasfh said:

Wow. Strong admission, buddy. That must be very hard for you to contemplate.

Oh, it is.  To be fair, if I go straight ticket for the dems it would only be for the legislative side.  Likely would lean towards Republican supported judges on the supreme court.  As they don't run on party lines, I don't just rely on who endorses them, but on what I can find out about them.

6 hours ago, mtutiger said:

He's the President of the United States. He should do what his predecessors did and ignore the haters, especially when it pertains to matters of national security.

He should, but as we all can agree, he might be the president, but he's not presidential.

6 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I voted for my County Judge, who is a Republican. His positive qualities did enough to pull me around to voting for him again. There were a couple of others I would have considered going for under normal circumstances, but these aren't normal times and I don't think the GOP will change unless it takes some losses. 

 

5 hours ago, Oblong said:

Benjamin Wittes has a good thread on voting GOP. Essentially we only hav e two parties. Trump represents a real threat to the rule of law. He heads one party.  That party doesn’t want to or cannot stop him.  Therefore the only responsible thing is to vote for the other party which doesn’t represent a threat to the rule of law. 

Lumping in the last two comments from mtutiger and oblong.  I was always a two party believer.  You pick a party and if you want changes, you work from inside to change it.  I slowly spurred that reasoning over the last few elections.  As i've mentioned before, i'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal and always thought that society would remedy the social issues, whereas gov't should be concerned about the fiscal issues.  I'm not sure if it was because the republican party was putting so much focus on the social issues that it was pushing me out, I was starting to see the importance of gov't role in social issues,  or I saw the libertarian party as a conduit to force a party ( in this case the republicans) to shift back to fiscal issues (and do it right).  

So for years I always said you had to work within the two party system and all of a sudden, I found myself voting for some libertarians.  The poll numbers look good until it gets close to the election, and folks focus in on one of the two parties.  My libertarian votes have achieved little.  In some cases it pushed some into debates, but no sign it has influenced any party.  

This is my dilemma this year.  Jump back into the two party system, where in my opinion the only way to influence the party I grew up believing in, is by voting against them, or do I continue to dream of a world where maybe a third party voice can have some real impact, either by winning, or gaining enough support to force the dominant parties to adopt their thinking.

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I am not fiscally conservative, but I always understood that part of conservatism and I enjoyed the discussion.  It's this white nationalism crap and general bigotry that I don't respect. I don't even know how to have a discussion about that.  It's a non-starter.  

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6 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I am not fiscally conservative, but I always understood that part of conservatism and I enjoyed the discussion.  It's this white nationalism crap and general bigotry that I don't respect. I don't even know how to have a discussion about that.  It's a non-starter.  

It cannot be abided

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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Oh, it is.  To be fair, if I go straight ticket for the dems it would only be for the legislative side.  Likely would lean towards Republican supported judges on the supreme court.  As they don't run on party lines, I don't just rely on who endorses them, but on what I can find out about them.

He should, but as we all can agree, he might be the president, but he's not presidential.

 

Lumping in the last two comments from mtutiger and oblong.  I was always a two party believer.  You pick a party and if you want changes, you work from inside to change it.  I slowly spurred that reasoning over the last few elections.  As i've mentioned before, i'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal and always thought that society would remedy the social issues, whereas gov't should be concerned about the fiscal issues.  I'm not sure if it was because the republican party was putting so much focus on the social issues that it was pushing me out, I was starting to see the importance of gov't role in social issues,  or I saw the libertarian party as a conduit to force a party ( in this case the republicans) to shift back to fiscal issues (and do it right).  

So for years I always said you had to work within the two party system and all of a sudden, I found myself voting for some libertarians.  The poll numbers look good until it gets close to the election, and folks focus in on one of the two parties.  My libertarian votes have achieved little.  In some cases it pushed some into debates, but no sign it has influenced any party.  

This is my dilemma this year.  Jump back into the two party system, where in my opinion the only way to influence the party I grew up believing in, is by voting against them, or do I continue to dream of a world where maybe a third party voice can have some real impact, either by winning, or gaining enough support to force the dominant parties to adopt their thinking.

Kind of where I am.  I have never been a straight party voter, except once in my adult life.  I was royally ticked.  

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So Friday night we went down to Indianapolis because my wife ran the marathon.  On the way down there we get an alert from the marathon that Trump will be in Indy and staying the night and it will affect the race in terms of more road closures etc.   We stayed downtown and were not affected.  However his hotel was 2 blocks over and I flipped it off every time we went by.   Never saw a glimpse of a motorcade.  Heard some lights and sirens but have no idea if that was them. 

Indy is a cool town. Now I see why they have so many events there. 

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What a load of crap. Anybody who voted for someone who had no chance of winning, voted for whoever won. You may think you took the high road but you didn't. If you voted for Johnson, you voted for Trump. If Hillary had won it would be the same thing. Get off your high horse. You're why we have Trump. Period! Own it. Quit whining.

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8 minutes ago, VegasTiger said:

What a load of crap. Anybody who voted for someone who had no chance of winning, voted for whoever won. You may think you took the high road but you didn't. If you voted for Johnson, you voted for Trump. If Hillary had won it would be the same thing. Get off your high horse. You're why we have Trump. Period! Own it. Quit whining.

No regrets.  I would have been no happier with the Clintons back in the White House. 

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