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Hilarious.  Deficits stop mattering when they like the president. 

That'll eat up that 2b savings on  Air Force One pretty quickly.

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19 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Lesson learned: Do not criticize Trump because he can do anything he wants to you now.  He originally complained about Air Force 1 after the Boeing CEO criticized him on twitter.  It's probably a good result if true though.  

Don't hold your breath, Boeing will find a way to get the billed cost back to where it started. US business has a lot more patience than US politics.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

It doesn't necessarily have to come from him directly. And I think he's in a position to be a little choosier about what kind of attention he solicits. I wasn't seriously wondering that in any event.

If he can be choosier about what kind of attention he seeks, I would feel better about him.  I am not sure what kind of restraint he has.  

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Don't hold your breath, Boeing will find a way to get the billed cost back to where it started. US business has a lot more patience than US politics.

No doubt, the deal will not be as clean cut as Trump will make it sound.  

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2 hours ago, tiger337 said:

No doubt, the deal will not be as clean cut as Trump will make it sound.  

It will probably be nothing like how he describes it.

 

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10 hours ago, tiger337 said:

If he can be choosier about what kind of attention he seeks, I would feel better about him.  I am not sure what kind of restraint he has.  

I'm unconvinced he has any restraint at all. That's your biggest problem.

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Nothing about the Ichan pick? It's exactly what many of you have been suggesting for years on this board.
 

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Billionaire corporate-raider turned activist Carl Icahn on Wednesday was named special adviser to President-elect Trump on overhauling federal regulations,

However, Icahn's involvement in the selection process could add a new wrinkle into the it, especially if he supports candidates where his interests don't necessarily align with that of mainstream Republicans. A close Trump ally, Icahn is a strong advocate for limits on CEO pay and shareholder rights.

 

 

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As you all know, I am not exactly a fan of Trump.....but if his presidency turns out to be successful and it is all lollipops and blow jobs four years from now, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

If he is a failure, I wonder if Trumpkins will admit they were wrong?

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On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 0:34 PM, tiger337 said:

The main problem with big government is that it costs money to tax payers.  

You are certainly entitled to that opinion, but to my experience the overall quality and efficiency of an entity reduces once it reaches a certain size. 

There are certainly lots of examples of this, but the exponential growth of the Walt Disney World Company over the past 20 years stands out to me--as a consumer, a former intern/hourly employee, and now as a Floridian who is impacted by their iron-fisted control over the state's Chamber of Commerce.

Big government, like Disney, loses sight of the big picture too often because it is too focused on pet causes that serve a fraction of the people under its umbrella. 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

You are certainly entitled to that opinion, but to my experience the overall quality and efficiency of an entity reduces once it reaches a certain size. 

There are certainly lots of examples of this, but the exponential growth of the Walt Disney World Company over the past 20 years stands out to me--as a consumer, a former intern/hourly employee, and now as a Floridian who is impacted by their iron-fisted control over the state's Chamber of Commerce.

Big government, like Disney, loses sight of the big picture too often because it is too focused on pet causes that serve a fraction of the people under its umbrella. 

 

 

Are you speaking to the overall size of government? The reason I ask is because some agencies are more efficient and effective than others. 

Additionally, I tend to believe that the main difference between the two parties isn't about their position kn size of government but rather to make sure conditions are favorable to their pet agencies and causes. 

We will see if Donald Trump breaks from this.

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1 hour ago, mickeyb105 said:

You are certainly entitled to that opinion, but to my experience the overall quality and efficiency of an entity reduces once it reaches a certain size. 

 

 

Does the same apply to banks and corporations?

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12 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Are you speaking to the overall size of government? The reason I ask is because some agencies are more efficient and effective than others. 

Additionally, I tend to believe that the main difference between the two parties isn't about their position kn size of government but rather to make sure conditions are favorable to their pet agencies and causes. 

 

Yeah, both parties like to have big government and they mainly differ on which parts of government are biggest.  I also think your first point might be tied to the second.  The agencies which a party cares about might be stocked with the best talent and be more efficient and effective.  The agencies they don't care about might lag behind.  

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14 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Does the same apply to banks and corporations?

Well, I used Disney as a prime example--so of course it applies to corporations.  American Airlines is another great example of a once-great company turned-bloated Goliath.

Count me a fan of smaller banks.

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21 minutes ago, mickeyb105 said:

Well, I used Disney as a prime example--so of course it applies to corporations.  American Airlines is another great example of a once-great company turned-bloated Goliath.

Count me a fan of smaller banks.

I am also a fan of smaller banks and corporations.  I find it nearly impossible to deal with large entities once something goes wrong with a product or service I purchase. I would like to live in a world with more small companies and fewer mega-corporations.  I would not mind if government was structured differently to become more efficient, but I am not in favor of cutting lots of services.  

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54 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Yeah, both parties like to have big government and they mainly differ on which parts of government are biggest.  I also think your first point might be tied to the second.  The agencies which a party cares about might be stocked with the best talent and be more efficient and effective.  The agencies they don't care about might lag behind.  

Exactly... and both parties do this. And when it happens, it's often framed as a reduction in government but in reality is simply a reallocation of resources.

I think the weakness in a lot of these arguments is that addresses "big government" in the abstract, while ignoring the fact that the government (for better or for worse) is hundreds of different agencies that act with varying degrees of efficiency and effectiveness. And each of these agencies have constituencies that will be positively or negatively affected by neglecting or outright eliminating funding and staffing.

I'm not against reducing the size of government, but I'm not in favor of reducing the size of government just for the sake of doing it either, without discretion. That's the weakness I see in Mickey's argument, IMO. Maybe I'm reading him wrong though.

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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Are you speaking to the overall size of government? The reason I ask is because some agencies are more efficient and effective than others. 

Additionally, I tend to believe that the main difference between the two parties isn't about their position kn size of government but rather to make sure conditions are favorable to their pet agencies and causes. 

We will see if Donald Trump breaks from this.

The size of government question is a dilemma with no resolution. The people, through government, need an organization with the competence, scope and legal authority sufficient to cope with with outside organizations and powers of international scope and reach. But there is always the concomitant risk of that government being 'captured' by those vested interests and the general inertia forces that affect all bureaucracies. But what can you do?

I think it just goes to back to the need for the elective process to produce effective and honorable people to fill the oversight role. That is why the mundane details of the political process are so important to the overall health of the society. And right now the details of our process are pretty totally broken. I look at the last two governorships in MI, one Dem, one GOP, both will end as pretty colossal failures, the Dem because of incompetence and lack of vision and program, the GOP one because of personal venality and ideological rigidity/stupidity. And is there really even anything more to be said about the inability of the national parties to put an honest competent person before the electorate at the national level?

It's dam_n depressing.

We'd like to believe the system is self-correcting, that one party will at least work at fixing the worst excesses of the other when it gets in power, but I'm worried that you reach a point of no return. Go too far down the road to being Venezuela and I'm afraid there is no way back.

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4 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

Yet another example in the long list of those on the "tolerant" left....nice job screaming at a mother on a plane in front of her kids. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4059082/Ivanka-Trump-aggressively-confronted-man-JetBlue-sitting-children-screams-father-ruining-country-asks-flight.html

What a lunatic.  Ivanka seems to have handled it graciously.  Good for her.

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Just now, Melody said:

What a lunatic.  Ivanka seems to have handled it graciously.  Good for her.

Ivanka is about as put together as they come. Anyone would want a daughter to turn out like that- aside from obviously being beautiful, she is wharton educated, articulate and a good representative of their company. She's a pretty cool customer so it's not a surprise that she didn't engage this guy. 

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I hope her feelings weren't hurt. Good thing her dad likes her. I wonder how she would handle his vile tweets if they were aimed at her.

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5 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

Ivanka is about as put together as they come. Anyone would want a daughter to turn out like that- aside from obviously being beautiful, she is wharton educated, articulate and a good representative of their company. She's a pretty cool customer so it's not a surprise that she didn't engage this guy. 

I suspect that is more her mother's influence.   Nevertheless, that kook deserved to get booted from the flight.  Airlines do not play these days when it comes to potential of in flight disturbances.

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46 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

Yet another example in the long list of those on the "tolerant" left....nice job screaming at a mother on a plane in front of her kids. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4059082/Ivanka-Trump-aggressively-confronted-man-JetBlue-sitting-children-screams-father-ruining-country-asks-flight.html

Racist Tirade at Jefferson Mall Goes Viral

"Yet another example in a long list of...."

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Hillary and her supporters are trolled and harassed by the racist frog people every day. So don't cry when you get a little taste of it yourselves.

Yeah, that person is an *******. Now let's get back to the Hillary Clinton child porn rumors.

Trump sends angry tweet after angry tweet about SNL.... but when it comes to condemning the white supremacists, he is all calm and says "Stop it."

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