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On September 17, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Deleterious said:

Louisville is beating FSU by 46 points.  Over ten minutes left in the fourth. 

I had the good fortune of watching the FSU game with several Seminole fans at my table.  They are a quiet group when they are getting the best down instead of providing it.

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Three top 10 matchups this weekend.

#7 Stanford at #10 Washington (Friday night)

#8 Wisconsin at #4 Michigan

#3 Louisville at #5 Clemson

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I haven't seen Wisconsin play at all this year. But based on who they beat so far and the scores of a couple of those games, combined with preseason ranking, it feels like they are a bit of a fraud.

MSU game looked like a stately win, as did LSU. But I don't know if either of those teams are all that good this year.

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

I haven't seen Wisconsin play at all this year. But based on who they beat so far and the scores of a couple of those games, combined with preseason ranking, it feels like they are a bit of a fraud.

MSU game looked like a stately win, as did LSU. But I don't know if either of those teams are all that good this year.

I think this is pretty right, although I do believe Wisconsin is a Top 25 team.  Top 10?  No way in the world.

LSU just fired Miles and MSU is down quite a bit in talent over previous years.  Michigan is favored by 10 at home, but I like them by at least 13 and as many as 20.

Harbaugh has been smart the past few weeks in his game planning.  By force-feeding the running game (when he could have really run up the score throwing the ball any of the weeks, even Colorado, by pulling the injured Speight and putting in O'Korn) into stacked boxes he has been preparing them for the meat of the B1G.  Wisconsin will do a better job of stopping the run, at least at first, than any of Michigan's opponents to date.  But eventually, Harbaugh will throw in a few soul-crushing play-actions and TE waggles that will rip off huge chunks of yards.

One thing I'm worried about is that our outside receivers have been too quiet the past few weeks, and have had some big drops.  Darboh and Chesson need to stretch that defense to keep those safeties honest.  Chesson may be banged up going into next week, maybe we'll see more McDoom? 

All this aside, I would love to see Harbaugh come out--at some point this year--running shotgun to open the game and come out slinging the ball around the field.  Make the defense defend Chesson, McDoom, Perry, Evans and **** all on the field at once.  We'll probably never see it because Harbaugh likes Smith so much in pass pro (rightfully so), and also think the OL is much more of a mauler group than a pass pro group.

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17 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

WTF is going on in East Lansing?

I think it makes some sense in terms of  MSU's recruiting status. When your recruiting classes are in the top thirty and you are a good coach, you can put together a really good team, but when you lose a bunch of good guys in one year, you are not going to have the depth that a top 5 recruiter like Alabama or OSU has to come out reloaded every year despite your graduation losses. Dantonio hasn't been the elite recruiter that a Saban or Meyer has been. In fact wasn't it Urban that said something to the effect that the key is not to be the best coach, but to get the best kids? I'm paraphrasing pretty loosely but I think it was something to that effect. Recruiting class ranking is pretty sketchy, but in the long run teams that sustain top level success tend to be the top recruiting teams and MSU hasn't gotten there consistently yet.

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It's nice to see the big ten west putting up a couple good teams. Are they truly top 10 quality? I doubt it. But those two teams need to establish themselves over the long run. Iowa can put together a decent team from time to time, but they don't have the brand to maintain a high level.

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Holy ****, Nebraska is in the top 10? That's cute.

Wisconsin would do well to keep it under 20 vs. OSU.

But yeah, good that these 2 teams are off to good starts. Both could finish 10-2 if they play well, and Wisconsin actually has a couple of solid, if opportunistic, wins.

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It would be very easy to write off MSU going forward. It's true that they got more out of their players than expected, and they deserve credit for that. But the low rated guy that becomes an NFL player is not the type of thing you can expect to repeat. They have had more success recruiting recently, benefitting from their sustained success on the field. But that can dry up pretty fast if they struggle the next couple years. So they will be back to hoping for diamonds in the rough.

I'm not optimistic about that happening.

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I'm expecting that MSU will play like a team a couple wins better than their record when Michigan rolls in in 3 weeks.

If MSU lays an egg in that game, I might consider writing them off. At least until they show some flashes of getting some QB play.

The foundation of their success has really been built on their defense and Cousins/Cook. If that starts to crack, you'll start to see things fall in other areas. You're seeing some of that this season with the poor QB play, but they still to have a window to recover. Either through in-house development (this season) or one of the QB recruits (next season or two).

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2 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Sure, if they get another cousins or cook, that can change things pretty quickly.

I wouldn't put it as simply as that. I'm going to give them some credit for QB scouting and/or development. Not at a Harbaugh or OSU level, but I'll give them a couple seasons for sure.

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I am enjoying the finger pointing that has come out of the LSU-UF postponement.  Especially with reports of area high school games simply moved to Sunday/Monday of the same weekend.

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