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9/11/16. Lions @ Colts. 4:15pm, Fox. Week 1.

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I'm not ready to say hand Stafford the money just yet, but If he can give us a half a season's worth of performances close to today's, I'll get on board with him getting the big payday.

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13 minutes ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

Huh. According to the ESPN box score, Stafford was 4-10 to Jones, and 27-27 to the 7 other receivers.

Has to be a fluke, right? 

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The Colts may be terrible, but Stafford was ballin all day today. NFL has 31/39, 340 yards and 3Tds, thats a pass completion % of 70+. As mentioned, loved seeing him calling out Ebron and Jones on that last drive. Amazed its taken so long for an OC to run some no huddle - Stafford has always been great at two minute drills, and for me is a natural feel kind of QB, that needs to play at tempo and be allowed to find rythym. 

If we can give him a non terrible D, and the O line comes good then we might have a decent season this year, and could be very good going forward.

I know Stafford has his warts and has had his problems, but I honestly feel if he gets the correct coaching staff around him and a solidly built roster going forward, he will continue to mature as a QB. He's durable, tough, has the big arm, has experience now, and if the mental aspect can continue to be honed then he can develop yet further.

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9 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm not ready to say hand Stafford the money just yet, but If he can give us a half a season's worth of performances close to today's, I'll get on board with him getting the big payday.

I've been critical of the Lions on many fronts, but I have never thought of Stafford as the problem. I did think at one point he wasn't performing enough considering his pay, but once other QB contracts approached and surpassed his with guys like Flacco I changed my opinion.

He is a solid QB and definitely not part of the problem. It would be nice if he were more consistent and I would like to see him play well against non-3rd stringers. The issue with the team has been the OL, run game, and secondary. The OL was fantastic in the first half today, but not good in the second half. The run game was surprisingly good however and Riddick has a chance to go beyond just a 3rd down receiving back to something special. The secondary and LB core though is a huge problem.

Diggs, Levy, Whitehead, Wilson, and Bush were all liabilities in coverage and even Slay struggled quite a bit today. I know that finding a LS to replace the flawless Muhlbach was a big offseason concern, but I wish we could have took a flier on any help for the secondary...even to just have some talented and athletic players developing on the practice squad would be nice.

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30 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm not ready to say hand Stafford the money just yet, but If he can give us a half a season's worth of performances close to today's, I'll get on board with him getting the big payday.

Who would you "give the money" too?  QB's as good as he is are hard to find.  Look around the league,   Carson Wentz was drafted #2 for god sake.  Also look at his numbers from the last 8 games last year, and you have your performances you are looking for.  I think he was worth it before then however.

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1 hour ago, number20 said:

Well, now we know they can beat an awful Colts team riddled with injuries

 

 

Better than losing to a Colts team riddled with injuries. 

And Andrew Luck is far from awful.  Guy was making some incredible throws today.  There were a few plays with some busted, mind scratching coverage, but Luck made good throws into tight coverage was well.  Just have to tip the cap sometimes.  He is one of the best Qb's in the game for a reason.  Lions have plenty of work to do though. 

And can football coaches, please, for the love of god, stop going into prevent defenses before half and at the end of games.  So idiotic. 

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31 minutes ago, TartanLion said:

......I know Stafford has his warts and has had his problems, but I honestly feel if he gets the correct coaching staff around him and a solidly built roster going forward, he will continue to mature as a QB. He's durable, tough, has the big arm, has experience now, and if the mental aspect can continue to be honed then he can develop yet further.

Since Cooter became OC, Stafford has put up elite numbers. Isn't that good enough or do you want a whole new coaching staff? 

Today's game was great. Pretty interesting game to watch. I will take a win on the road in the NFL. It wasn't pretty at all, but it's a win. 

What I loved about it:

1. Stafford - As we know, this team is as good as Stafford plays

2. Riddick - He was great too. 

What I didn't love so much:

1. Levy and Whitehead looked really bad at points. I expected them to be better. 

2. The whole defense looked lost at certain points in the game

Need a win at home against the Titans next week. 

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21 minutes ago, RJBBREZ said:

Who would you "give the money" too?  QB's as good as he is are hard to find.  Look around the league,   Carson Wentz was drafted #2 for god sake.  Also look at his numbers from the last 8 games last year, and you have your performances you are looking for.  I think he was worth it before then however.

Given Stafford's second half performance from last season and hopefully, this whole season, Stafford all the way. If you don't pay him and he walks, it would set the Lions back a long way. 

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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm not ready to say hand Stafford the money just yet, but If he can give us a half a season's worth of performances close to today's, I'll get on board with him getting the big payday.

He did, the second half of last season when he had something like 16 TDs and 2 INTs and went 6-2.  Some could argue that the pressure was lessened once they went 1-7 but the fact remains that he played exceptionally well once Lombardi was replaced by Cooter ans switched to a more up tempo system where he gets the ball out quickly.  I'd like to see him do it in more meaningful games more consistently like he did tonight but they aren't going to find a QB better than Stafford so might as well pay the man. 

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Stafford's trade value will never be higher; now is the time to move him for some draft picks so they can develop a QB who can win a superbowl

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What I loved about this game was that the narrative had been fixed:  Andrew Luck the magical QB is BACK!   And, certainly he was very, very good.   But, they were able to freakily 2014ishly do that comeback thing.   Now we just need to sort out Dallas in a playoff game. 

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3 hours ago, holygoat said:

Ebron having a good game.

 

1 hour ago, ROMAD1 said:

So, Eric Ebron looked pretty good.  

Yup!

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re watching the final drive.  The sirens...annoying.   Stafford was on a mission.  He bitched out Ebron and Marvin Jones for not getting down or out of bounds respectively.  

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Given how the final fiasco lateral fest went, I would not have wanted the Colts to have had any more tics than they did...so that throw out of bounds with 8 seconds was very good.  

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Did Ameer and Riddick look really quick to anybody else? I thought they were great, and I don't remember them being that good. Riddick was killer as a receiver and had 3 really nice runs as well. Ameer ran a route that got him 5 yards clear for his TD (Indy defense helped that) as well as some nice runs.

I also think there was some coaching about ball protection. Around the goal line and when lowering the shoulder to get the extra yard. It seemed like that may have been an emphasis that has taken hold effectively.

Stafford didn't seem to do much wrong, although the Indy defense is probably bad. But as good as you could hope for, and a very nice play to cut inside the free DT the first play of that last drive and hit Riddick, who made a nice decision to run to his left.

Indy screwed up the time management their last drive. I understand not wanting to kill it completely because it was not goal to go, but they used a time out early and could have milked the clock further before their TD. Normally Caldwell should be using time outs there, but if Indy is in go mode it's acceptable to hold them.

I also liked the fire from Stafford yelling at his WRs. Not sure what he was yelling at Ebron for, he was hit right away and was down in a second or two. But Jones should have gone out of bounds, that was a mental fart. There must be some instinct there, the DAL WR did the same thing and time ran out.

Good hold on the FG and good bounce-back from Prater, better than Carolina's and Arizona's kicker.

Defense needs work, obviously. I didn't watch as much of that, but Luck is really good, so it's not a huge surprise. But if they don't improve, the offense will need to carry the team to 9-7.

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5 hours ago, Who is the Drizzle? said:

Did Ameer and Riddick look really quick to anybody else? I thought they were great, and I don't remember them being that good. Riddick was killer as a receiver and had 3 really nice runs as well. Ameer ran a route that got him 5 yards clear for his TD (Indy defense helped that) as well as some nice runs.

I also think there was some coaching about ball protection. Around the goal line and when lowering the shoulder to get the extra yard. It seemed like that may have been an emphasis that has taken hold effectively.

Stafford didn't seem to do much wrong, although the Indy defense is probably bad. But as good as you could hope for, and a very nice play to cut inside the free DT the first play of that last drive and hit Riddick, who made a nice decision to run to his left.

Indy screwed up the time management their last drive. I understand not wanting to kill it completely because it was not goal to go, but they used a time out early and could have milked the clock further before their TD. Normally Caldwell should be using time outs there, but if Indy is in go mode it's acceptable to hold them.

I also liked the fire from Stafford yelling at his WRs. Not sure what he was yelling at Ebron for, he was hit right away and was down in a second or two. But Jones should have gone out of bounds, that was a mental fart. There must be some instinct there, the DAL WR did the same thing and time ran out.

Good hold on the FG and good bounce-back from Prater, better than Carolina's and Arizona's kicker.

Defense needs work, obviously. I didn't watch as much of that, but Luck is really good, so it's not a huge surprise. But if they don't improve, the offense will need to carry the team to 9-7.

Based only on what the announcers were saying...He was yelling at Ebron for fighting too much before going down on that second to last completion.  

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1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

I loved it too. Minor quibble, but when Jones didn't get it out of bounds Stafford should have let the clock run down from 12 seconds to 5 seconds before calling timeout. Would have avoided having to take one more semi-dangerous offensive snap to kill time and would have avoided that one last kickoff that could have bit us Lions-style.

I have heard that coaches like to leave a little room for error, and 8 seconds is better than 3 seconds.  An offensive holding call would have ended the game.

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8 hours ago, nd1377 said:

Since Cooter became OC, Stafford has put up elite numbers. Isn't that good enough or do you want a whole new coaching staff? 

Today's game was great. Pretty interesting game to watch. I will take a win on the road in the NFL. It wasn't pretty at all, but it's a win. 

What I loved about it:

1. Stafford - As we know, this team is as good as Stafford plays

2. Riddick - He was great too. 

What I didn't love so much:

1. Levy and Whitehead looked really bad at points. I expected them to be better. 

2. The whole defense looked lost at certain points in the game

Need a win at home against the Titans next week. 

Sorry, misleading post. Wasn't suggesting this coaching staff was definitely wrong and needed moving on. May very well be that a combination of Cooter as OC, with Caldwell is a winning combination for Stafford.

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8 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

Stafford's trade value will never be higher; now is the time to move him for some draft picks so they can develop a QB who can win a superbowl

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10 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm not ready to say hand Stafford the money just yet

Is it your decision?

Why do you care what he is paid?

What is the alternative?

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